Harper to the judge: "Your driver's license doesn't list your height and weight at birth. It doesn't list where you used to live. It identifies who you are now."

March 06, 2026 - 20:21 UTC

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Darn just seeing this now
Thank you for sharing this 👊✊🙏‼️
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The police, "Your license is expired."

Them, "Why would it ever expire?? We are unchanging baby beings."
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This is so simple and easy to understand it should be on the lips of every pro-trans politician.
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That's the problem: there aren't any
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Let’s not attack our trans brothers, sisters, and enbies just because they’re navigating our shitty world in a different way than you’d prefer. There are enough people against us.
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Correct but my license photo is from high school and booooooy do I get a lot of close looks at it when I’m going somewhere that cards at the door
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What even is identification if it's not validating your present self to those who don't know you?
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that's precisely the point of this legislation. they want us to be unpersoned. they want to take away our right to determine who we are.
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It’s also funny to me that when I requested my official birth certificate from out of state, I had to provide my DL and marriage cert. Like either of those could prove I was that baby.
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Replying to @drwambsgans.bsky.social
A name is a title, and a title is a deed. The babe is a ghost; the crown is the only proof that matters.
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Better to abolish gender markers entirely.
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That’s a great point.

I thought the whole point of the driver’s license was to tell the cop how you look and where to find you now.

About that “how you look” bit…
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Did they invalidate licenses for men who went bald or grey
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Fuckin A
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and lots of brown-eyed adults had blue eyes at birth. It’s a common phenomenon.
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Not just eyes, hair and skin pigmentation can also take a while to develop. This can cause unfortunate relationship problems for couples who don't have lighter pigmentation.
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I was an adorable child!

These days, ... 😒
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I was a blonde for 4 years.
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My eyes are listed as brown, I think because maybe brown was the only option before? But now I see an option for black and I’m pretty sure they’re black. I almost changed it at my last renewal but didn’t want it to affect anything else.
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I had thick dark black hair at birth. At 14 I was naturally silver. (Not grey there is a difference in tone and texture)
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I wish I was still the same person described on my license.
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I wish my back could still straighten enough that I were still the height on my state ID.

Not because of the height; I just want the uninjured spine again.
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What a sentence
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The judge said in closing that he's had to sentence people on laws he even didn't think should be laws. Not what I wanted to hear.
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Excellent!
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Wait... I changed my driver license just so I could go into a different bathroom???
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If state law allows people to request a change of gender, & all the legal conditions to register that change have been met, then so be it. If not, not unless & until the relevant law changes.
However, if insisting results in being struck off the electoral register, it's shooting oneself in the foot.
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Conversely, I’m back to being bald like I was as an infant. /s
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Harper did a fantastic job.
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This is so clear and succinct, just perfect
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What a brilliant point.
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Bars.
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When appeals to decency fall on deaf ears as they so often do in this shit-ass world, appeals to logic must shoulder the burden.
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That's an awfully good argument. I mean, it's preaching to the choir for me to say that, but still. Awfully good.
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Stop giving them more ideas!
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My drivers license sure as hell does *not* list my current correct weight.
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Let’s hope the judge decides that it’s rediculous and put a stay on it.
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👏👏👏
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I think the easiest argument to make is that we took race & skin color off ID and everyone is just fine.
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The only possible justification I can think of for having gender markers on our ID is so that the person looking at the card can glance up and go, "Yeah, that tracks."

So it should *look like what you present as.* (Lots of NBs in my family so also 🤷‍♀️ on the whole "convenient for observer" thing.)
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Sick Fuck KKKobach is driving all of this. He is Kansas' cancer.
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It doesn't say that you don't have your appendix or tonsils anymore either.
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Also, it's got a bloody picture of the license holder on it, so presumably if the picture looks like the person it's probably their license?

Seems very strange to have any sort of need for sex markers on a drivers license in the first place.
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"Put out an APB. Suspect is... One foot six inches tall, 7 pounds, bald, blue eyes. Male. Repeat, subject has male genitalia."
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are they gonna
Require a genitals In-
spection with every traffic stop?

these "get the government
outta my Business" peeps
are truly Whackos. Will
they have us carry
photos of our
Naughty
Bits?
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Mother and baby were doing well 4 hours after the birth
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APGAR score is 6, repeat six.
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Brilliant
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Great argument
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A drivers license needs to consist of fixed, objective, current, verifiable facts. If height is included it needs to be accurate, not a made up number. If it includes sex it needs to be biological sex. Gender ID is subjective, unverifiable and may be subject to change.
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hey how about you fuck off
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You answered your own question, dipshit: "Current" facts.

Currently, trans women are women and trans men are men. Their sex assigned at birth is NOT "current."

Hope this helps!

(But also fuck straight off into the sun, hope a crevasse opens beneath you and swallows you right up, & etc.)
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What dmv are you going to that they weigh and measure you? Cuz where I'm from you tell them a number, they shrug their shoulders and go "eh ok" and that's that. If I fill out on my form that I'm 6'5 and 450#, that's what it says regardless of my clearly 5'4 150# frame. Your Id is to identify you.
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There's no certitude like the certitude of an ignorant clown who pontificates about "fixed, objective, current, verifiable facts" without having the least fucking idea of whether such facts are any of those things. Swear to god, smug dudes like you make me so glad I'm not straight.
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You’re failing at becoming good, stick to your dying island.
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If you have had a sex change, it's not subject to change. I mean, you don't have the equipment anymore. The only worry I've had is what if there is a horrible accident -wouldn't it be helpful to the EMT to know what's inside the body? There are different internal organs that might be crucial.
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isn’t there a tin mine somewhere you should be drowning in Cornish man?
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we both know your point contradicts itself so i’ll just skip to the part where i call you a fucking idiot
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No one asked for your opinion from the UK, Colin.

Did you know that height and weight change over the lifespan? For some, at times, drastically. Yet somehow we cope.

How does it help to identify a man if he has an F on his driver's license?
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You talk like a pedophile.
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Your bigotry is leading you to look foolish. Just stop.
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Colin, have you ever had the shit kicked out of you?
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Why? I check IDs for a job, not a once did I need them to drop trou for confirmation
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Good thing that hormones literally change your biological sex, so even less of an argument to have it there.
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I just took a large shit and now my driver's license is invalid
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To be fair, height and weight are self-reported. Let’s get the stats on your DL and verify them with a measuring stick and a scale buddy. You walk the walk, no?
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Broseph, I haven’t been the correct weight on my drivers license since Bush was president. I’m probably no longer the same height, and they never had my eye color right. Grow up and find a real thing to argue about.
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You dont even live here
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Names are also subjective and liable to change, but we deal with that by the simple method of changing the name on the ID when someone's name changes. We can do the same with gender without any problems.
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YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING UK. Mind your own damn country while we try and get a grip on ours
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Shut the fuck up, we threw off the crown specifically to not listen to you lot.
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Go back to twitter bigot!
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good argument for not including it at all, but since cops don't do chromosome tests on you when they pull you over, probably makes more sense to have the gender ID marker match your presentation.
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Actually, it contains self-reported data reflecting how you understand yourself. I rounded my height up to the nearest whole inch, though I am 1/2" shorter than that. No one cares if you shave off a few pounds when you say what you weigh; if you gain 30, no one makes you get a new license. 🤷‍♀️
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Tiocfaidh ár lá you English bastard
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How is biological sex verifiable for DL purposes? And by whom? The police? You might as well formally legalize rape.
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Except as ID they don't actually care what sex you are - they care about gender because it's relevant for identification (how you present and therefore how they can recognize you). If they need sex, DNA is less ambiguous and more directly relevant to criminal charges.
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and here’s Colin calling in from TERF island to give his two pence
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Your height is not a fixed value wtf are you still the height you were as a baby?
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Colin, STFU and mind your business.
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Thank goodness we don't have to live by your rules.
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Fixed, or current? Those are not the same thing.

I wasn't born nearsighted, but currently my license says I need corrective lenses. My height has changed. My weight has changed. Eye color varies with ambient light and what shirt I wear. I doubt there's a tic box for my current hair colors.
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Got pulled over for speeding and the cop needed to check my chromosomes, this is a normal thing that happens
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You contradict yourself with “fixed” & “current.” That’s the whole point being made here. Almost all the info on a driver’s license is subject to change. Address, weight, hair color, general appearance. My state requires new photo every 10 years. They even verify eye color.
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A British person with bad ideas about trans rights? Well now I've seen everything.
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Then your drivers license should say "dumbass"
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hey stfu
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So you think dudes with beards should have F on their ID and chicks with boobs should have M on their ID because of a snap decision a doctor made on what their genitals looked like at birth?

Trans people exist... they need IDs... you quite blatantly have no education on this subject.
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and how do you propose to verify biological sex during a traffic stop without committing sexual assault
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Last I checked, no part of driving a car depends on the shape of one’s genitals.

Or maybe there’s a new development that the rest of us are about to learn regarding British cars?
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Don't you get your first licenses at 16? How many people haven't finished growing by then? And if it can be updated for that, why not for this?
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How does knowing your biological sex help the cops if they're trying to find you?

Oh, that's right. It fucking doesn't.
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Are you suggesting that cops should be verifying biological sex at a traffic stop? Most of us drive with our pants on.
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have you ever been weighed and had you height measured in the dmv? what if you lose weight? i wear glasses every day of my life but not in my license pic. did you know some places offer 'x' gender on identification documents and no one has ever died because of it?
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That's why I'm on such a strict diet. Can't go an ounce over my listed weight! It's a fixed, immutable characteristic that I must vigilantly maintain.
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Why does your driver’s license need to indicate anything besides your ability to drive
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Your weight changes by the hour shithead
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fuck off to a dentist you limey bastard
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i look like a man, and am typically assumed to be male by strangers. i have facial hair and generally masculine features.

this law would have my ID say F. having my ID say F does not help anyone identify me, it just confuses them-- and outs me as trans, which is probably why people want it.
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I was in a lousy mood until I read the many responses that made me laugh. Thank you, good & funny people.
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My height, weight, hair color, and address are all subject to change.
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Your height changes throughout the day.
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Why don't you just worry about what's going on at that shithole island of yours, Colin. You mfs can't even take care of your teeth. Try sobering up and worrying about your own issue old chap
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aww shaddap
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this is a smart line of argument
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Banger.
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Damn good points.
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I once drove this home to a roomful of cops via this example: “when you send out a BOLO do you want to send out the gender on birth certificate or what they look like today? Which is more useful on drivers license?”
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BOLO means "Be On the LookOut" right?
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Oh, that's good!. I'm sharing that.
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Exactly. Simple as.
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If they don't overturn it, they should invalidate any license of plastic surgery recipients, or if you've dyed your hair.
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Haven’t seen a clearer, more succinct way to end this argument.
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