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what about during 1939 when communists and nazis were doing joint parades, and were decorating arches with swastikas, hammer & sickle and FUCKING FLOWERS together?

communists were the most prolific nazi collaborators

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk
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Morpheus: Slowly shifts the red pill forward

Neo: "No, no... I got this, lemme think"

Morpheus: "It's been 20 minutes"

Neo: "look if you're going to start mud-slinging I'd rather just leave"
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There is only one antidote.
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The hammer and sickle represent unity between the farmer and the industrial laborer. Maybe people would be less afraid if we showed them a stapler and a spatula to represent knowledge workers and service industry workers.

In this essay I will...
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Tractor and a cubicle
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Well, that or Socialism, seeing as it is an offshoot of the former.

And no, "National Socialism" doesn't count, so do bother mentioning it!
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I prefer non-extreme solutions.
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"solutions"
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Don't you mean non-solutions?
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your preferred solutions have only resulted in failure
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we can't always get what we want but if we try,
sometimes
we get what we need
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I too would love to cede ground to fascists while boiling our oceans just so I can pretend I have a shot at becoming a billionaire some day. Face it buddy we've already tried that shit sandwich of a solution and here's where it lead us
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Iโ€™ll play, what non-extreme solutions do you suggest that are acceptable to the general population and also genuinely effective against fascism?
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Capitalism is extreme and requires an extreme solution to eradicate it
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Sure, maybe we can just politely ask the nazis to stop.
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Keeping capitalism intact at this point is extreme
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how many millions of deaths to you is not extreme or is it just fine and dandy when capitalism torches half the world and subjects generations to starvation and strife so you can have your treats

you are a bad person.
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I donโ€™t think you know what communism is.
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With fascism "non-extreme solutions" are either some sort of Socialism, or war.

Have a good time choosing!
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Whatโ€™s extreme about communism?
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wandering into a stranger's kitchen "I prefer nuggies for dinner" like who the fuck asked what you prefer
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extreme stuff like saying โ€œits bad that people donโ€™t own the full value of their own laborโ€
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if you had to explain to an alien these two things:

1) capitalism is good
2) global warming is a serious crisis that will kill us all within a century

...how would you start?
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There arenโ€™t any.

This is like saying you prefer non-extreme solutions to cancer. Thatโ€™s not how this world works.
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I prefer fascism to be extremely destroyed.
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how've they been working so far?
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And you see fascism as developing at a nice, tolerable pace and tone.

You might just be enabling fascism, and done with that
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So youโ€™re white
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You prefer shit that doesn't work because you're comfortable under fascism.
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have you looked around? we are in extreme times
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Everything that will work is an extreme solution.
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What is the non-extreme solution to global heating and mass extinction?
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Non-extreme. Cool our world is dieing QUICKLY. We are in a mass extinction even created by capitalism and man kind. I agree we should do "non-extreme" things like end the system that's killing us and forcing people to go hungry when we produce enough food to feed everyone
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I prefer you to shut the fuck up.
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the man said โ€œsocialism or barbarismโ€ for a reason
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Yeah, no.
There are other pills. No thanks.
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What pill
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What are they called, and when have they worked against fascism?
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That can't really be true, because then the antidote for communism, would be fascism.
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What if I donโ€™t like both?
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Thereโ€™s a secret third option that involves a red rose instead of two symbols associated with authoritarianism. If you donโ€™t like the rose, we get authoritarianism anyway, millions die, and we end up here again because liberalism doesnโ€™t address the problems of capitalism.
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Socialism > Communism
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what do you think socialism is
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They are actually both the same failed systems that devolve into dictatorships.
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1. Being killed by the US forcing you to spend half your GDP on weapons ainโ€™t a failure
2. China, Cuba, and Vietnam would like a word
3. Which system of government has never devolved into dictatorship?
4. Who taught you to believe this?
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"Can...can I just maybe have other people take the blue pill so I don't have to?" - Liberals
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Thanks for drawing out the blocks, as always ๐Ÿ˜Š
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Gimme the communist wiiide pill
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Extended Release (XR)
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And when we(hopefully) pick communism let's not rest on our laurels and keep going all the way so that no authoritarian demagogues get a chance to hijack the process.
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Neither is my vote. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
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Both authoritarian. So, nah.
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communism is an economic system, hope this helps
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Every society is authoritarian by that logic.
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No bedtimes, no masters
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[prolonged wet fart noises]
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It never hurts to read and engage with things that challenge your worldview.

www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
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Communism isn't even a government, it's the end goal of socialism - a society that behaves as a community.

Communism's never been achieved because authorities (foreign and domestic) have a tendency to hijack any socialist government they find.
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This is why Three Arrow bs is nonsense how TF are you gonna be anti communist and also be anti fascist when the former is specifically designed to counter the latter
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Ehh communism was not โ€˜designedโ€™ to counter fascism at all, thatโ€™s a totally ahistorical take since Fascism as an ideology is actually newer than communism, if anything a big part of Fascisms development was in reaction to the growing communist movements of Europe
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Iโ€™d say because the Three Arrows was originally targeting a Soviet-Stalin aligned communist party and the socialist party who created it was interesting in โ€œdemocracy is a good thingโ€ and posited the Soviets didnโ€™t.

Also not necessarily given fascism as a concept crystallized after communism.
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Only one I want to see is Bottom arrow go up
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Being any flavor of anticommunist is to be pro fascist
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You have it backwards. Communism came long before fascism and fascism was specifically anti-communist
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It was anti-Lenin/Stalin. Who were very much authoritarians.

And communism isn't a government, it's the ideal utopian outcome of socialism. That is very basic stuff anyone who spends any amount of time with Marx knows.
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That second arrow never seems to come into play.
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Dawg, I need you to share some of that revolutionary optimism.

Some of these comments...

Fuck, we cooked if these enlightened "centrists" continue their rhetoric.
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When the one thing is fascism and the other is WHATEVER go woth whatever.

It's not difficult.
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The difference is??

Every, every, communist government has just been a guise for fascist oligarchs at best!
Our government has gone from oligarch to straight fascist.
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as opposed to which government that hasnโ€™t?
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it's so funny you go "well these aren't real christians" then turn around and go "every communist is actually a fascist". if you were a real person you might understand how that's a double standard and also absurd, but you're a bot so whatever
bsky.app/profile/eds53.bsky.social/post/3llwa47lufk2g
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You donโ€™t know what fascism is.
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Sounds like a criticism of corrupt government, not communism.
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Part of the problem is I can't tell what YOU specifically mean by the hammer and the cycle. Do you mean the REALITY of the Soviet Union? Or do you mean the Idealized Dream? Cuz they're not the same.

You would have had a *much* better click-through if it was Fascism vs ANTI-Fascism. That one's easy
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Either way itโ€™s the antidote to fascism
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How could she mean โ€œthe reality of the Soviet Unionโ€?

Weโ€™re talking about things we want to do, not ideology we want to morally be associated with.

How do you propose anti-fascism get done? Why wouldnโ€™t you use the only tool that ever actually worked against fascism: communism?
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Hammer & sickle is not an exclusive symbol of the CCCP and more generally a symbol representing communism.
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Just curious, howโ€™d that work out for Eastern Europe
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much better off than they were before by basically every physical quality of life metric
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Not everybody wants to give up their nutrient bath virtual reality battery pod work dreams.
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Thankfully these are not the only two options.
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BUT THATS NOT WHAT THE FASCISTS HAVE BEEN TEACHING ME MY WHO-excuse me the national anthem is on, I must stand. Then Iโ€™ll be saying a pledge of allegiance and make sure my 5 year old child joins me every day.
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Leftists: "Human rights and the government serving the people is good actually."

Rightoids: "I want to build a totalitarian ethnostate that makes genocide an institutional cornerstone of it's existence."

Centrists: "ThEy ArE bOtH bAd."
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As an anarchist (technically Cherรกnista) AND Gen X Iโ€™m used to being ignored :D

Let us have our little autogestiรณn municipalities and regions and Iโ€™m good
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Gen X has never been ignored. Having to watch TB after school is not suffering.
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The original take is nice, but careful with the blue pill / red pill imagery, especially these days...
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Or compassion.
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Totalitarianism doesn't care what color the pill is; just that you swallow it.
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Capitalism is totalitarianism and you gleefully swallow that pill
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Who told you communism was totalitarian?
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I'd have put "white" instead of everyone haha
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The governor of New York state just endorsed a democratic socialist for NYC mayor, for what that's worth.
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It's a step in the right direction
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One thing I'll never get is how people will see every admin of their entire lives lie to them in myriad ways to maintain the oligarchic power of Capital and have the ONE SINGLE throughline from all of them be anticommunism, and assume that means it's true rather than that it's the most important lie
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"well if communism worked we'd have it by now!"

"you are seriously underestimating the degree to which American military might destroyed communists, communism, and communist governments to prevent that."
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I'm a Socialist

Socialize me some Tacos bro
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Itโ€™s like the matrix, not every mind is ready to be free. We are fighting an uphill battle
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The "woman in a red dress" scene is so overlooked by the mainstream, but it's one of the most important ideas in that movie. They're not going around killing every human they see, that's the machine propaganda. But they also can't trust anyone still plugged in because they will drop a dime on you.
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Whats the difference between them
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Here is a good book for you to check out

Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti

welshundergroundnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdf
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core concept?
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Or other forms of socialism that have just about as much merit
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About doing a lot of heavy lifting
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It's just not true. The antidote is DEMOCRACY.
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Clearly not capitalist democracy otherwise fascism would stop getting power it capitalist democracies
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Democracy in its current form is a joke when you see how itโ€™s led to nothing but fascism.
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The antidote is always democracy.
Unless the problem is dilithium crystals.
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Communism is more democratic than capitalism, the foundation of fascism.
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Democracy is great and all, but it wonโ€™t stop fascism, if fascism is popular.
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McCarthyism and Us propaganda have done so much damage. Communism is the most misrepresented term of all time.
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With Communism you get chance of getting a good goverment but that is the risk there is a chance but not a guarantee and could as a bad as facism if not worse than facism
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how is this different than every system of government
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Why are these the only options
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What other options do you imagine we have
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I appreciate your narrative on here. I got called a bernie bro for saying Kamala was genocidal yesterday. If they only knew!
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Which is why the Nazis locked up the Communists first
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i don't know, communists and nazis seem to be really getting along during 1939, good pals

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk
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What I struggle with communism, as a layperson, is pretty much "how do you avoid state capture?"
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^ same. I'm a social democrat. Denmark looks functional, and seems "easily" reachable as a goal. I may be missing something, but I haven't seen a method in large-scale state communism to avoid centralization of all power and collapse to rule by a state class. e.g. via media manipulation / mob rule.
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Ezra Klein: Yeah, me and Charlie were on the same side
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yes but have you considered 100 grongillion dead, vevuzla, human nature, no iphone, no innovation
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Even if you are a centrist, to get there would require a hard left push.
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Personally I would choose everyone is okay over a few people are good and everyone else is suffering or dead, but this makes me a fringe lunatic with unrealistic beliefs. Good
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Liberals/MAGA: They are both the same thing!
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then explain to me please why nazis and communists were doing joint military parades? were they just good pals?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk
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I assume the enlightened centrists have already shown up to well-actually this post.
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goddamn, this brought out the hard A anarchists, huh (no hate to ancoms, you don't punch left)
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Most of us just want to exist and the fascists are making it so fucking hard to do
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We could also just speed run past communism and go straight to direct democracy-anarchism.
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dunno know about that "could"
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and anarchism
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