As end-of-empire scenarios go it is so much more dignified to get your capital city sacked by the Visigoths than to have a bunch of illiterate rich people in their 70s doing it through a series of incomprehensible tantrums because their brains were defeated by their phones.

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Yes. Same answer as every day.
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One of the (many) problems with a gerontocracy is that when faced with their own mortality and inevitable imminent death, the ruling class of elderly can decide that since they can't avoid their own fate, that they will take the rest of the world out with them.
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Trump is just a quintessential Boomer too. They’ve all got petty squabbles and don’t care about big picture as long as their complaints about the ice being too cold in their room temp glasses are solved.

Last of the Boomers are only 60 and GenX from 1965-1979 may be worse!
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add many blows to a fragile ego and . . .

a revenge tour - here we are
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FWIW the Visigoths were only able to sack the capitalBECAUSE of venal, insane rich people weakening the body politic before that.
Also: the Jan 6 swarming rubes & now the cosplaying "ICE" brutes were & are in effect your basic Visigoth sacking, what are these assholes if not coarse barbarians
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Not with a bang, but with a Truth Social post…
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What’s that you say? White men?
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Thing is that it’s not all White Men up there; also women and minority members that were selected for token patronage just so they can tell everyone else that the racism and sexism are dead because it doesn’t apply to them.
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This is a depressingly accurate assessment of our current state...
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In the end, the Candy Crushed them
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Overheard
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good post
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Fuck
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amazing work
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End of times worth it just for this comment right here
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🎯
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Where are the Sea Peoples when you need them
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Well it’s believed the philistines we’re descended from a sea people group called the Peleset by the Egyptians.

So many modern descendants are probably in Gaza, that was the philistine capital city.
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On a galley somewhere in the Mediterranean

"Left hand down a bit."

"Left hand down a bit it is, sir!"
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Well, the sea, one presumes.
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They’re mad at us.

We made too many “walk into the ocean” jokes.
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Ancestrally? There’s a very uncomfortable and topical answer to that question.
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Truly the Minoans we’re the luckiest of fallen civilizations. Wiped out by a nuclear-calibre volcano just up the road. Dignity intact.
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Patience
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The sea.
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Scared off by Bronze Age Pervert
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... Some remnant in Gaza , Maybe?
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Hyksos vs. hick sauce
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I ended up reading up on the Visigoths’ sacking of Rome thanks to this post.
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“End” is projection here.
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Et tu, Stan Chera?
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Wait. No. I'm in my 70s and I am not defeated. (Besides, I hardly look at my phone.) I will resist as long as I am able. 💙✊💪💙
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And Americans will do nothing about it
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I think we're going to get something that looks like both at this stage
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Don't forget leaded gasoline
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Coolest way would be alien invasion.
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Romans looking pretty classy rn...
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Yes indeed
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I love living in Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 5 Episode 6 “The Game” but with worse acting
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The scene where Wesley walks in while his mom was having a game orgasm was weird.
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Anyone else remember "internet addiction"?

Is it no longer considered addiction when most people are on it?
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At least those guys had a young Ashley Judd hanging around the place
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On the other hand, I do miss Star Trek...
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The only time I've been jealous of Wil Wheaton: he got to make out with Ashley Judd.
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Fantastic description of what we are seeing in real time.
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I guess...I feel like Fury Road really nailed the apocalyptic aesthetic of this kind of rich guy, if they were to go on the warpath. I don't like the way things are going, but maybe I prefer it to seeing anyone in the administration in a transparent breastplate thing and skull mask.
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I mean thats basicly what they are doing with Trump. Hide and edit out the Dementia, ignore how rotten he is, tell people to not get addictes to not starving, hope he doesnt craok because there is no political "heir" And never will be.
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I could really go for being conquered right now
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President Xi, my people yearn for freedom
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i hope 3i Atlas is full of space Visigoths.
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I think we could be a lovely Chinese province.
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Praying for the Dark Marauder

(Surprisingly SFW Oglaf! If you don't know the comic, the rest of the site is... not)

www.oglaf.com/legacy/
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As this civilization winds down I do wonder how @paulmmcooper.com will characterize it all…https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/fall-of-civilizations-podcast/id1449884495
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They were a kind of solution, those people…
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These times will make for a fascinating legend in the far-future
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IDK Rome had already gone through a long downward slide of mismanagement by rich, greedy, dumb patricians throwing incomprehensible tantrums long before any Visigoths showed up
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This takes in to account my ‘Eisenhower was really the End’ theory.
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Outraged at having to pay a lovable minimum wage and/or acknowledge the humanity of service workers.
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But damn we sold a shit ton of embroidered garbage
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Well, anyway, one illiterate rich person’s incomprehensible tantrums, anyway
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Have some patience.
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Glad you're focused on how cool or not cool the demise of our freedom is.

Instead of trying to actually do something about it.
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☝️ @thelouvreof.bsky.social
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"Only the goths can save us now"
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Seriously. Who wouldn't rather be defeated by people in bad ass leather jackets and great taste in music, over a bunch of classic rock loving bigoted cryptkeepers?
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Shiv reminds us that Brennus was the first barbarian chief to sack Rome. The humiliated Romans vowed to never let this happen again!

Anybody got Brennus' twitter handle?
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💯
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And they're not even done yet.
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It’s not the illiterate rich 70’s club that concern me. It’s the super wealthy tech bros in their 40’s and 50’s.
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Maybe it wasn't such a good idea letting people incapable of forming meaningful human relationships to become the driving forces in tech.
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Same
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Or stormed by the Ottomans in an epic siege in the case of the other half
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Well said
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So very well said. We are watching on from Australia in disbelief and wish you all the very best of luck. Imprison him before he completely destroys your 'empire'. It is horrifying to watch.
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Speak for yourself 🙂 Some of us are enjoying it

The seppo empire was a cancer

75 years ago it stopped winning wars, but kept starting them - inflicting grief on millions

It's fitting that the man who is precipitating the end is a greedy, stupid, thieving rapist - just like the empire itself
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But that IS what happens, just before the Visigoths arrive.
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Wait til you see what’s next.
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Both lead-addled. The Romans from their plumbing and, among the elites, adding lead to their wine to sweeten it. And our gerontocracy from paint and gasoline.
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I guess it's our equivalent of plumbum
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Just wait a little while the former comes first than the later even for Rome.
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USA is being sacked by a barbarous hoard, just not a very dignified barbarous hoard.
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And ketamine… don’t forget the Ketamine
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It ain't just 70's. Bunch'a young ass folks too.
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I’d argue that the Republicans are as vicious and alien to our pluralistic society as the Visigoths were to the Romans. *Romans=brain damaged by the lead in their water.
*Republicans=brain damaged from White supremacy
Conclusion: White supremacy causes more disability than lead poisoning
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I believe my people have a Teutonic connection via the Visigoths, on my Mom's side. She was one hell of a shot 🎯
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Yeah so effectively communication technology put everyone similar in the same social groups and allowed them to be heavily advertised to and people can't handle hearing hundreds of thousands of people agreeing with something wrong they are biased towards believing they just shut down all thought.
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Please use some type of punctuation! It’s so hard to follow your thought when it’s all run together.
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But like many mad kings of the past, they've convinced themselves they will become gods
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The phones, TV, radio, and internet were saturated with sophisticated, carefully crafted influence campaigns. It was no accident. This has been the culmination of numerous coordinated and well-funded domestic and foreign actors.
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They’ve opened the door for the Visigoths, maybe more effectively than the Trojans getting fooled by the horse. Doing their darndest to dismantle democracy to the benefit of Putin.
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I will say this: Rome did get sacked by Visigoths because the people in charge were bigoted morons, so
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Proud to be 70 , literate, and poor! 😉
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Going out like Rome would be terrifying it it’s own right…but what is happening now is just silly levels of stupid. 🫩
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Given if Yellowstone ever erupts, we'll have a modern-day Pompeii on our hands.....
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Among black voters, it's actually the young who are most right wing. Trump only got 6% of black seniors, but did much better among younger black voters to raise his average to 13%. Still made blacks by far his worst group.
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I wonder why that is? That’s really interesting and concerning.
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Give us time. First you get the weird 70 year old incompetents, THEN you get the raiders.
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Fun fact Rome was mostly fine after the Visigoth’s sacked Rome (more of a psychological blow rather than devastating to the city). Now the sacking of Rome by the Vandals? They never came back from that.
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And lead, can never count out the lead
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I am eager to read Luke Kemp’s Goliath's Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collapse. Being published in the US in Sept. A snippet said after the fall of Rome, average height of people grew, the implication that the fall of Rome wasn’t necessarily a bad thing.
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I don’t know how ‘height’ is an evolutionary improvement
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Was really looking forward to a sea peoples type situation 😔
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The sea people were immigrants.
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Agreed!
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The former implies a level of justice
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On point.
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Kind of shocking to see how American democracy collapsed so quickly and easily due to greed and cowardice.
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I'll even accept Vandals or Ostragothe
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Agreed, except for the ageism. Steven Miller and Elon Musk and Pete Hegseth aren't 70.
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None of those guys would be anywhere near power if it weren’t for all the old people with phone madness voting Trump
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I think the Visigoths come after the tantrums.
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Isn't that basically what the fall of the Roman Republic was, minus the phones?

Rome's richest dipshits split the empire up and went galavanting around the Mediterranean trying to become the new Julius Caesar and mostly got their shit pushed in, Crassus had molten gold poured down his throat.
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I'm just gonna tell the Romans in the afterlife that we invented a wonder and it drove the elderly insane. If they pry, I'll say it was an aether that connected all minds.
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Damn, you made us sound cool. Can you do my PR when we're all burning in Hell?
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Keep it simple: we mounted Luna and branded our standard on her silvery ass. But as we prepared to make ruddy Mars our catemite, barbarians or something.
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I think the fall of the Roman Empire was pretty much exactly like this. They had moved the capital to Ravenna and were having child emperors and stuff. Deeply dysfunctional. I’m sure our child emperors are only a few decades away.
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Pretty sure it's going to be child laborers.
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Holy sh** that last line is so true.
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Maybe smartphones are the equivalent of the Romans having lead water supplies.
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IIRC it wasn't so much the lead pipes as the deliberate use of lead salts as a sweetening agent.
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Smart phones and social media. Let’s not forget any of our e-opioids.
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This is Gen X erasure
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To be fair, late Roman politicians made a lot of really stupid decisions that got them to that point. Maybe we'll get lucky and a asteroid or a zombie plague or an invasion from Canada will wipe us out and make our demise more cinematic and less of a ridiculous self-own.
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We can’t even crumble like a decent empire.
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Oh , John Fetterman syndrome
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I feel like Rome had both.
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As a Visigoth, I heartily endorse this
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White males, the vast majority of whom are not rich and not in their 70s.

But hey, other than that...
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As long as they retain their place in the caste system
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Rest of world caught up to the Romans. Same again
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Jan 6ers had a lot of energy.
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In defense of "rich people doing incomprehensible tantrums", that kinda was what was happening to Rome's government before the sackings happened.
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And the city of Rome itself became an increasingly-dystopian backwater of diminishing importance while the real center of power moved East.....look, I'm seeing some parallels here
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Yeah, for like four whole centuries
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If it makes us all feel better, it's an alliance of illiterate rich people in their 70s and incurious rich people in their 40s & 50s who are doing the sacking.
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And grooming the most eager and impressionable demographic for the next phase, 18-21 boys

fox17.com/news/nation-world/ice-drops-age-limits-to-attract-10000-new-officers-amid-recruitment-surge
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Aided by their rabid teen and 20-something flunkies…

It’s a multigenerational effort by idiots of all ages
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And their droolingly moronic cousins and amoral moneygrubbing assholes in their 20's and 30's, it's really multi-generational
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Don't forget they spent their formative years huffing leaded gasoline, and dancing behind DDT trucks, and now they want their child-white-hoods back.
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Bill Ackman?
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We get the Martian Chronicles ending. The planet wipes us all out and we don't even notice because we're on social media.
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(impaled by a pike)

"ah, yes"
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They tried to have the illiterate poor do it last time and it didn’t work.
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J6 was almost all rich/upper middle class people. They could afford to fly to DC and book hotel rooms there on short notice.
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Many of the J6 crew were wealthy business owners.
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It’s just such a strange whiplash taking place. On the one hand, what these ignorant, small minded, obscenely rich people are doing to our country at home and on the world stage is pants-shittingly HORRIFYING. On the other, they are such a bunch of fucking clowns, it’s hard to take them seriously.
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Yep.
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Our capitol was sacked, by an unruly, Christo-fascist tribe. Does that make you feel any better?
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What's happening now is actually pretty directly parallel to what happened back then before the city was sacked. A bunch of untouchable rich people trying to become even more powerful at the expense of everyone around them (and ultimately themselves as well.)
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A lot of them are not in their 70s, but I agree with the rest.
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I'd rather the Celts - they at least liked food and booze almost as much as fighting.
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Hilarious! 🤣

And sadly true..☹️
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Sadly, ours is not the first empire to be sacked by rich people throwing tantrums. Rich people have been quite predictably stupid and selfish across the entirety of history, and they will always salt the earth before they'll share power.
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@ledzeppelin.bsky.social
@legalweed4sc.bsky.social

This historical perspective is valid, but not necessarily new 🎶 🎧
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Citrus?
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I get irrationally mad every I think about how shitty our dystopian end of empire is. They’re not even harvesting our life force to power world eater machines. It’s all just in service of like, inserting ads into non-emergency police calls or maximizing revenue on baby insulin
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They made a federal department named after a meme of a picture of a dog from 2010. Staffed it entirely with failson teenagers who then took apart several major organs of the government.
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LOL
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Never thought I’d side with the Visigoths, but here we are.
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Truth but yeah, rich WHITE people…black and brown people ain’t allowed to be this crazy without getting immediately gunned down in the street
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Truth, but also Kanye wants to say a few things...
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Take heart, David. A lot of them are Gen Xers
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Basically Mark Zuckerberg destroyed America.
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#MoveFastAndBreakCountries
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Sure, are Visigoths still on the menu? I kinda figured we missed that opportunity.
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Elon and Trump tearing down institutions? BROKE.

Alaric taking the Palatine Hill's riches? WOKE
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"Ah yes, here comes the woke mob come to cancel me" - citizen of Rome as they are pulled to the street by their hair and impaled upon a goth's spear.
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So its Your Empire that's being sacked? I might've missed something because you seem like an ordinary peasant like the rest of us.
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All of these responses are so damn brilliant.
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Visigoths? Good one, but I think the Vandals were better at sacking kapital cities
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He be wearing the ides of march………………..
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It's Canada's turn to be hegemon, it's time they burned Washington again.
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America couldn't have Pict a worse president.
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✊Support my run to fight Hakeem Jefferies during the June primary for NY-8 Brooklyn!

WE WILL BREAK THE FUCKING WHEEL! It’s time that we get PAC money out of politics! It’s time that WE THE PEOPLE take OUR power back!

Welcome to the Era of the Zero Tolerance Left!

Change is Here! Vance B for YOU
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This is, no joke, how Carthage went out.
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Absolutely brilliant!
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Lead poisoning is a common theme
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The most powerful empire in human history, one of only TWO that had the capability to end all life on the planet, and it was destroyed by fucking Facebook
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I'm not sure Visigoths are still available for the task and Canadians are too nice to.
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Both potential downstream of lead pipes
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I long for barbarians at the gate
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Sadly, most maga will have no idea that you are referencing the fall of the Roman Empire. They aren't the sharpest knives.

But this is how the powerful get ahead - by protecting their wealth at all costs.

Visigoths were able to attack in part bc the empire was already crumbling bc of corruption.
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Hadn't their elite decamped to Constantinople by then? I'm a little foggy on that historical timeline.
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I was always a fan of the Visigoths.
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Visigoths are easy to prepare for. It's the Invisigoths you don't see coming.
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Well, the Roman Republic was undone by a selfish oligarchic ruling class who wound back the popular reforms of their previous century, and then refused to take action on necessary matters, until Caesar ended the cycle. Imperial Rome was then undone because of civil wars by power hungry incompetents
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@paulmmcooper.com
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🫣
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Are they Verizongoths or VisiGrands??
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I was just thinking the other day fascism usually has better propaganda art!
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I haven’t sacked any cities, but I am a prolific vandal, & I got some vacation.
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I bow to a professional.
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I guess we’ll find out
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👏🏻👏🏻🤣🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻
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to be fair about the Romans, they had their fair share of illiterate syphilis riddled inbred caesar’s.

it’s almost like allowing one class to get so rich and out of touch ends the exact same way everytimr
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Whoever is really behind this was totally prepared. Even to the point of getting a SCOTUS judge to retire.

Then they struck with ruthless force.
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Phones and billions of dollars worth of foreign and domestic propaganda
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I'm not 70, and I use a landline. 🤣
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Haha. Now that fiber has been installed and most of the copper was never removed I expect that’s going to be on the grift agenda. Getting landlines back in houses and charging the subscription fee to keep it running.

Just like 14 streaming subscriptions replaced cable 🙄. It’s always about the SaaS
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The Visigoths probably had some new interesting foods at least
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We've lost to stupidity. And I, for one, am embarrassed as shit by my role in history. "They just let it happen." No fight, no real resistance. It will be written that ~ America crumbled in under a year, with barely a whimper heard.
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But isn't that just the ultimate irony – that our downfall is caused by the same technology that's supposed to make our lives easier, and our leaders are too busy throwing tantrums to notice the Visigoths at the gates, let alone the Mexicans on the horizon?
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Hahahaha!!! Don't forget the lead!
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imaginary fears are just invisigoths.
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Where’s the groan emoji
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underrated post
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Guys aren’t named cool shit like Theodoric or Odoacer anymore, it’s probably where things started to go south
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Doing my part giving my youngest kid the middle name "Aleric"
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So RETVRN then?
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Pretty sure extreme wealth and the Dunning Kruger effect played a strong role too
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So true. And really you're not going to go down too well in history, they'll be no future comedic genius listing the wonderful things the Yanks did for us.
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Illiterate rich white males. And so anticlimactic if it wasn’t so terrifying.
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probably didn't feel that way at the time but yeah in a book it sounds less absurd
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...but WAS it really the Visigoths -or did they just take advantage of the 4th century equivalent of Roman "brains defeated by phones"?

Does anything REALLY change?
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But if we were sacked by the Invisigoths we would never see it coming.

I'll show myself out.
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At least we have the lead poisoning in common. Us by gasoline, Rome by water
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attila the hun and genghis khan just looking at each other in the afterlife being all like “what the fuck, man”
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incidentally MY phone tried to correct the former to “atilla the gun” which speaks to your point
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"Ozymandias" with an AI generated number of trunkless legs of stone
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Any single conversation on this thread has exponentially more intelligent thought than anything on twitter.

Like how social media (mostly) should’ve been from the start.

Thank you all for that
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We were stripped of all dignity on Jan 6th.
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A compelling offer is ten times more powerful than a convincing argument. We market ourselves into #idiocracy.
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We can’t skip right to end, we haven’t had the threat of a horse in the Senate yet!

*Mid-term election monkey paw curls…*
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There's a horse in the House tho, from Georgia
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The horse would be a noticeable improvement over several.
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At least the Visigoths were honest plunderers.
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The thing is, in between the rise of the Republic and the fall of the Empire, there were many stupid rich old men who did idiotic things because it personally benefited them in the short term.

In fact, it’s hard to find an Empire that didn’t collapse from the weight of the incompetence of the rich
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Word......
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We're fresh out of Visigoths but maybe someone can round up an army of mall goths.
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The late empire had their share of illiterate rich 70 year olds fucking things up from within too though, the outside raiders come after that and are just a symptom. We'll get to the violence part eventually.
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Love the contrast! True!
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I don't know about dignified, but definitely more romantic.
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It's. So. Embarrassing. Trump is like the embodiment of every single negative American stereotype - fat, stupid, lazy, ugly, selfish, loud, egotistical, rude, cruel... he's barely a person, it's like he's a representation of our worst traits and people LIKED it.
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Because he made people that were those things feel ok with themselves. He is the antichrist and instead of our sin, he has taken our shame. He said to the racists, it’s ok to be racists; to the dumb and illiterate, you are smart enough. He is symptom and disease of end times capitalism.
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You're right! And it's just plain embarrassing to have the Felon in Chief wandering around the roof shouting at the sky.
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i get the sentiment but the average roman elite was as cooked by their particular cultural quirks in the time of the sack as any phone addled boomer is in our day
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A Conservative Cabal empowered and emplaced a Mad King in order to enact their loathsome policies. The Mad King destroyed his own empire and theirs.

But evil men with burn down their own nations to rule over the ashes.
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The Visigoths could see the value of reading.
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But it’s tech broligarchy and straight up oligarchy pulling media and social media strings…
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Failing completely this morning to log into a Teams meeting on my I-phone and asking myself for the umpteenth time why I'm still working when it involves having to get into 8 am Teams meetings.
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I'd say there is a cause-effect relationship so that the failing elites tend to open the doors to the Visigoths.
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What? No love for the Maxigoths or Minigoths?
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And I don't see the Invisigoths anywhere
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It's not that different. We're just using social media to rot our minds instead of lead pipes and drinking vessels.
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Oh I think American has plenty of lead issues as well
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And the plastics, don't forget plastic.
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And the lead poisoning don't forget that part
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Hmm, I don't know! First—don't they go out through a combination of those things?

Like, the sacking of Jerusalem had as much to do with Jewish infighting as the Romans' strength and cruelty.

So when our leaders can't work the war machines, maybe the Mexicans will invade to help us save face.🙃🧐😎
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Ohhhh shit, soooo true!
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Yeah but like. The city getting taken over wasn't what ended the empire. Arguably rome ended 3 different times centuries apart.
Rome stopped existing when people believed it did, it stopped being powerful when lead poisoned emperors broke its institutional capabilities
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👏 BRAVO👏👏👏👏🤣👏🤣🤣🤣
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So true
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