This is simply untenable. There is no way forward with media and political classes captured by the right. Every time someone commits a crime you have to pray it's not an undesirable or it's purge time, then when it turns out to be themselves again they just shrug and wait for the next one.

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The violence is from the right.

Why doesn’t the press make the pedophile talk about it?
Don’t answer. I know the answer.
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Or just keep on spreading the lie that it was “radical leftists” who are to blame.
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No more “entertainment” programming than sells “news” to avoid journalistic requirements. No more monopolies. No more billionaires.
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That’s what abusers do. They capture you in an endless circle of being beaten up or waiting to be beaten up.
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Democrats (some of them) look like the wife of some far-righter, he beats them and the kids, and she makes excuses for him.

"It won't happen again", "it's only some times", "if I'm nice he won't do it" etc
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Abusers also take delight in corrupting people into images of themselves, bystanders in this case choosing to conform as the “right side of history” for themselves and the zeitgeist.
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So true.
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Confirmation bias writ large.
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Schrödinger's Reichstag fire, and every time they get a little more earnest with their reprisals
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Actually, you missed the step in between where they attempt to portray it as an undesirable.
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It's like a broken record—crimes by undesirables ignored, their own swept under. Endless frustration, no progress.
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They just have to be "lucky once" we have to be "lucky" every single time.
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If you know it will happen, you need to prepare yourself.

Maybe you don't like guns but there is no reason to not acquire one.

If you are scared about your kids, just lock them up.
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I can't just lock up my kids
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Its ALL untenable.
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It's like russian roulette except instead of "life or death" it's "some death or lots more death"
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True!
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I really wish we could somehow just all agree to just stop speaking about them all in public. No online conversation, no going on interviews. When they ask about what some GOP slob says, we just say, "Who?" "Charlie Kirk? I don't know him."
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OMG! THIS!!👆👆👆👆👆
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This is a time for intrepid democrats who aren't anti-religious per se to tell them what dancing with the devil can do. This may win some souls.
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It’s because the right are so wrong - about everything - that they can’t admit to being wrong about anything, or the whole house of cards collapses.
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I would love to tune it all out, but I really don’t want to be trapped in the middle of something awful. Every news cycle is existential horror.
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It does feel useless ! It’s sickening , are they all stupid or dumb ???
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Neither. They are complicit.
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And we have Yankees and NFL in on the fun now too.
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Profound, and sadly true
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Hypocrites. Impeach
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I’m so furious right now, still! Maybe even angrier now that they all just stopped calling for the civil war, to kill Dems and such! Now that it’s one of their own they all cower in God! Fuck them all!
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By the law of averages, sooner or later they will hit the jackpot.
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Correct on all points.

What do we do about it?
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Spot on!
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This is really horrible
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Agreed. So frustrating- I am need of forgetting this country for awhile. I just can’t anymore.
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One of the most entertaining aspects of The Good Place is the infinite opportunities to watch all you normals tie yourself in ideological knots without even realizing what you’re doing.
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The seem to do a lot of shrugging and waiting. Maybe it’s time for a little doing? Healthcare and gun control go hand in hand.
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Yeah, bc they want violence

How is this not obvio? They always act in bad faith, how many times does this need to happen for people to learn, I truly don't understand my country

One side is blood thirsty and the other are always trying to reach across the aisle
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EXACTLY!
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Are you people gonna apologize? He was dating a trans guy/girl and was a lefty!!??
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Serious truth
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Very true. Its like they are waiting with baited breath to declare open season on all Democrats
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Exactly why I keep posting there is only one way it ends all of us or all of them. You can not reason with a rabid animal.
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What if, hang with me on this, between all the false starts on supposedly getting our asses handed to us, we make it so we actually hand asses if/when they try it? How bout that? We could do lot with that capacity.
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That’s why don’t hold back and be ready to fight ruthlessly and without mercy when the purge starts. Because they’re
intent on going there anyway. People thinking if we’re just nice it won’t happen are lunatics living in a fantasy. They are fascists, violence is how they roll. Inevitable.
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It is obvious that the right isn’t against violence.

Change DoD to DoW and threaten to send to our own citizens in Chicago? Fine

Pardon the legion of anti democracy terrorists who stormed the Capitol Jan 6? Fine

It’s no wonder some people think they have no option left but physical force.
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So...how do we uncapture?
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100% this. They will keep weaponizing every tragedy until it works.
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This has been a long time coming, already applied to Muslims and black people and the circle expands to include more and more people for annihilation, with he liberals cheering along, when something like this happens.
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unfortunately with the aid of corporate media outlets.
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100%
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Fact
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Truth!
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Ideas on how to fight this are few, but fwiw
We need to be the "fun" group. I'm a lesbian from the olden days so prolly out of touch but our lgbtq+ activism was lit- giant puppets, music, sexy flirting, sparkles, dancing, fire eating & yes- very serious activism. Everyone wanted to join our joy!
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Other ideas include- boycotts, work stoppage or slows, excluding those with bad behavior- go grey rock on them. No sex with the enemy- ever- 4B. Be funny and joyful, the miserable will want to exit their hate party. Start local? There is political war (we lost) and then there is cultural war- we win
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Facts and logic didnt work, so let's turn our backs on the wicked and make our sub cultural party so good that they will do anything to be included with us. Maybe a dumb idea but as a gay...it kinda worked...for awhile anyway. They dont get to sit with us!
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I’m a heteronormative, cis-gendered, white guy from Ohio and I worry about the same thing.

Basically “Please have him look like me…”

I hope that makes sense.
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It does make sense. Because when he looks like you, no conclusions will be drawn from it. He's a bespoke special boy who must be understood and given sympathy

If he's even 1 iota off from the default, then he represents that whole group and a trend and allows the group to be blamed
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That includes MSNBC
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It's included MSNBC for a lot longer than the last few days. Ask any Black journalist who has had a show there how they feel about the time slot they were given and how their show ended.
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"they just shrug and HOPE for the next one".
To quote Utah's governor... "I was praying it was a foreigner or someone from out of state... not one of us".
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I am losing my mind with breathless hand-wringing over something completely confabulated.
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Now there is no doubt that the msm has chosen the side of sedition. Our four freedoms are of no concern to them.
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They’re still treating it like it’s purge time.
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Completely agree. But I hope the average person is getting the message. The call is coming from inside the house. Maybe....
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Welcome to Trump’s fascist state. Dems tried to tell people.
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Joe Rogan has become a caricature these days.

His obvious hatred for trans people becomes more evident in every show.

I used to listen to him as I enjoyed the interviews with interesting people…now I listen to hear him make the same old tired points and go further up his own arse.
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All these "liberals" jumping in to parrot the right's narrative about what was going on, is more enraging than the people we already knew to be hateful and violent.
Flags at half staff by Democratic governors for a guy who said "gay people should be stoned to death"
I can't even
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Makes no sense. If they will bow to Kirk and his followers in fear, I don’t have as much confidence in them as I did. I’m especially speaking of Tina Kotek, my governor in Oregon.
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gotta pay respects to the guy who said he would force his 10 year old daughter to carry her rape child to term
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agree agree agree

One of his own killed him.

Nothing to honor. Kirk loved violence.
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This is why some of us are over Democrats. They act like the little kids on the playground who keep trying to smile at the other kids who bully them.

Fuck these bullies. No more diplomacy. No more coddling.

Where are the warriors? It's feeling pretty lonely out here.
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And will there be any apology or reflection about the conclusions they jumped to? Absolutely not

When the left has entirely abandoned the MSM I wonder if they'll show any of the endless curiosity why that they've shown for the right

(I don't wonder that actually)
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Yup. All out civil war and direct calls from politicians and the media for violence against “leftists” and groups generally on the left, or absolute nothing-burger. Both from the same event.
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It’s untenable bc they don’t have a tenable ideology and are dedicated primarily to selling hate and revenge to a chunk of the US population that’s buying it. Hate, revenge, pseudo-alpha males who are actually beta, and that’s pretty much it. It’s a house of cards built on a cult-of-personality.
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We have a truth problem and it is becoming a mental health problem.
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Telling.
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I really wish we (shorthand for the targets of Charlie Kirk) had an advocate. Someone with the power/platform to start pushing back and say, "Stop allowing these people to be terrorized!" My stomach hurt all day yesterday, knowing that if it *wasn't* a right-wing freak, we would all be screwed.
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We had Fred Hampton...
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So well said!
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This is well explained and concise. Thank you.
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It doesn't have to be this way.

70% of voters want a different path that includes better gun safety laws. Tell your legislators.

202 224 3121
Congressional Switchboard

resist.bot/petitions/PXMAIJ
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I’m all for stricter gun laws, but look at Chicago. They have some of the strictest gun laws in the country and had the #1 gun homicide count in the country. L.A. is up there as well and they have strict gun laws.
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Well because by the law of averages, eventually, it WILL BE someone with opposing ideology that they can then seize on, blanket blame everyone not like them, then start killing us guilt-free, scratch that, repercussion free, impose martial law, etc because then "REASONS".
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Right, that's what untenable means.
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...and when faced with someone "undesirable" who clearly also holds right-wing beliefs (as usually), only the undesirable part is reported.
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Such as the shooter earlier this year.
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What did the right do when media and political classes were captured by the left?
They somehow made it through the Obama years with some kicking and screaming, but nothing like what I've seen lately.
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We have never seen America with media and political classes captured by the left. Our media (and pols) are owned by corporations, and corporations are inherently anti-left. The Democrats and Obama are only "left" relative to Republicans.

Also we can draw a direct line from the Tea Party to this.
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Even worse, now they will say that the shooter was just a deranged maniac, and Kirk will still be a martyr and "definitely not a nazi because he was killed by a nazi, see?" and also nazis are socialists, yadi yada.
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Eventually it's gonna be a leftist or trans person or immigrant: and then what?
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You are 💯 This cannot continue to hold We are on the brink
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It was disturbing and horrifying how violent and blood thirsty conservative media and politicians were about declaring war/ persecuting/ etc on half the nation. This wasn't a Freudian slip, it was their true intentions shown, which means that little empathy switch has flipped- the one that causes
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populations to turn on a perceived "other". So it's just a matter of time before it happens if they stay in power. I agree with you... one small mistake or violent act from any democratic, liberal, or minority and its purge time. It's terrifying.
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It's so bizarre.

Every single evidence is that trans people commits less violent crimes than non-trans. Fascism is linked to praising the greatest crime of the last century.

But "trans ideology" was considered a self-evident explanation, while "he is fascist" isn't. Insanely backwards.
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We are living in the upside down.
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They reported "trans ideology" as online indoctrination, but never stopped to ask whether the right wing ideals had exactly the same affect, and led to him shooting someone.
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Also just as the base rate there are not so many trans people
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Billionaires "centrist" media editors biased for white conservatives, macho police officers, farm owners, elite they manufactured (fellow "legacy" mediocre men, Ivies, pundits)

Far right "just the authentic voice of the volk outraged when really just old fashioned political
bsky.app/profile/originalist.bsky.social/post/3ly2ewn37sk2d
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I don't want to blame movies, but mental illness is still so stigmatized in this country and so few understand the trans community that I think it can be easy to suggest that a trans person is "mentally ill" and thus prone to violence. Zero evidence, as you say, but who needs evidence?
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The exact same is true of immigrants, including undocumented immigrants. More likely to be a victim than everyone else, less likely to be a perpetrator. But everyone wants to hurt the Other.
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the cult is built on a narrative. this framework is the lens through which they view all things, and they will sort phenomena as they please to force everything into their framework. there is no other form of comprehension.
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That's because it's not about the reality of it. It's about projecting a reason to convince people outside the group to hate the group. Doesn't matter if it's true, as long as they say it enough, it'll convince people who don't know better and that is justification to kill us.
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We will have socialism or we will have barbarism
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They've chosen barbarism, sadly.
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Society has had the greatest chance ever to make real progress, but human greed always sabotages it.
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This is the right take.
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It's all so exhausting. I'm just realizing how on edge I've been since the shooting. But there is no relief because there is never ANY accountability for their awful hypocrisy.
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For most people cognitive dissonance is a sort of alarm bell in our brain.

For the far wrong it's a sign to stop doing that thought and just do different one until something else comes along
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Basically the dogma can't be challenged. MUST not be challenged.

That would challenge their entire identity and that won't do. Almost like they're in some weird closet of denial of a nicer and more useful life
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Nicolle Wallace was brilliant 🏆 if the bosses don't want you talking negatively about Charlie Kirk we won't talk about it at ALL. The whole 5-6 p.m. coverage was about the economy, redistricting and troops being sent to Memphis.
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I wonder how long those who refuse to capitulate will be able to hold out before leaving or getting fired.
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A large part of the problem is Media normalizing this extreme behavior. Like Nancy Mace. She probably don't mean a word of it, but she feels she have to in order to rile the grievance cult. If someone would take her up on her words she'd be the first to deny and hide behind free speech.
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Perfectly put. Thank you for this post. The liberal media need to read your post too.
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I think it's time to take the protest to their corporate and network headquarters. They're complicit and they're corrupt.
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Alex Jones was a preview not an aberration
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We gotta remove them all from power. Easier said than done. We've been trying since long before I was born. Stating the obvious, but that's all I got.
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"the enemy is both strong and weak at the same time", whichever argument is most convenient to the current fascist narrative
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When it turned out (once again) to be themselves, now they also pray for the criminal. "Poor thing was so angry to radical left that radical left, left him no choice but to kill one of our own." They hate normal, individual freedom based life and violence is the only way they can express themselves.
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Republican inquisition always talk about "American heritage". If there is one, it is a trail of blood and dead bodies lying on a pages of history book.
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Terrorism
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Good thing is that some of us understand the pattern of dysfunctional toxic behavior which must needs be understood everywhere. Distribute swiftly.
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This. Well stated.
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The thing people need to understand is that violence from the Nazis is inevitable. They're Nazis. It's what they do. They're never going to drop the act and stop pretending they're the aggrieved victims, even as they throw people into the shredder. You have to decide when you're going to act.
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Trump talks about a Muslim ban to this day, 25 years after 9/11

Yet we never have seen any blowback against even Republicans after dozens of rightwing terror attacks

The asymmetry is peak white supremacy but no leader would ever point this out
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We are in a war of attrition. And the goal line is the Midterm elections. We need to do everything we can, put as many people in the streets as we can, push back with all our might and hold this democracy together until we can flip congress and paralyze the tyrant.
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I don't think you really understand the situation we're in if you think electoral politics are still the answer
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We may not have midterms. He’s angling to declare martial law and then proclaim NO midterms. OR if we do have elections they’ll be crooked and won’t be contested by a poorly led Democratic Party. First step is ditch current Democrat leadership. Then more mass protests. Then strikes/more boycotts
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Have we tried not buying newspapers?

Oh...
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that's the word: untenable.

they will devour themselves in the end. but I did love this:
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They think his room mate was a trans lover, so unfortunately they're back in purge mode.
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Wrong as usual.

He was a Democratic, Socialist, Trans-supporting, Hamas-loving, George Floyd-worshipping, Antifa, Punch-A-Nazi-In-The-Face, Trump-hating, Leftist demon, who killed the most influential organizer and influencer in the conservative movement.

What is so confusing, you dumb cunt
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I mean, the all of the myriad facts that contradict your claim for one.
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Thank you! Very true & very well said. To the repubs, Dems & indies are the enemy. Literally. & the supine, credulous check cashers who masquerade as journalists should perhaps learn what journalism should be.
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Thanks for putting this into words.
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Highly politicized violence- and highly politicized response ( often violent in nature ) to that violence

This is our world as dominated by $billionaire propaganda targeting the hateful racist underbelly of America
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OMG, yes, thank you for saying it. I've been trying to name the anxiety I've had since the shooting and that's it. I've been waiting for martial law or something.
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They're looking for that right justification for us it's psychological torture. But then you remember, cruelty is the point
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Funny how that works!
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You could see the anger on the right building. Threats, attacks and terrorizing anyone who said a bad word or even didn't sufficiently praise Kirk.

Had this guy turned out to be a left winger, or Trans, or whatever, I'm certain we wouldn't have made it thru the weekend without a few murders.
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Why they so mad? They won everything like wtf.
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You knows if it did not happened, there are a lot of murders in America, I'm not sure if the press would report it
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And it’s ALWAYS themselves.
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At the very least, the idiots who started the WSJ Controversy and every conservative who called for blood should be thrown out of their jobs.
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Exactly. America is a powder keg just waiting to go off.
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the 14 words estate are what they are, enemies of the people
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Ooof yeah. Exactly this.
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I know. Whenever something happens, I wishing please don’t let be anyone they want it to be.
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Or turn it around with pretzel logic.

It’s incessant.
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Excellent insight.

They want a reason to destroy anyone who thinks differently. From casting aspersions, to the very popular cancel culture on the right, they don't want books or art or even posts that suggest any alternative to what they think. They are so eager to unleash their Orcs.
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Only a matter of time until they just make up an entire motive.
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Um, what's an undesirable?
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Serious question: are you asking because you believe that I myself am calling certain minority groups "undesirables", even within the context of a post where that seems highly unlikely?

Or you're asking because you know I mean from the right's perspective but you genuinely don't know what that is?
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I can remember Geraldo Rivera talking about his father watching the local news, how his father would say "Please don't let it be a Puerto Rican." That's a long time for an untenable thing to last.
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"Courage, caution and patience! The monster cannot see its reflection, it wounds its face with its tail. It will become harmless as soon as its chosen destiny is fulfilled!" - Ergin İzci
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These people are so irresponsible it's SICKENING. They will say anything! They will start 'The Purge' for clicks. They are the very same as those idealogues upholding Hitler, Milosevic, and the genocide of the Palestinians. No moral compass, no values, no courage.
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And foreign adversaries are taking note how easily America can be manipulated to devour itself.
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FUCK it wasn't a socialist again it was one of ours again.

Ahem

"so how about that new sports season, fellow cultural conservatives..."
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They control them, they will go as far as they want.
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No both sides issue here republicans or MAGA is all they are now is the problem. The party politics is violence and hate.
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They eat their own and do not care.💙🔥😵‍💫
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True Happiness Is: Seeing all the shit on all the Republican / MAGA faces because the Charlie Kirk shooter turned out to be one of their own !
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They don’t even just shrug it off. They twist themselves into pretzels to make the facts fit their narrative.
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Which ties back into why it's such a dangerous ecosystem. The media are only too eager to collaborate and get their early lies out there to control the narrative, as we just saw again with the WSJ.
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It’s always “Pray it away and get over it”! I’m tired of praying and I not getting over it. We need change.
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Yes. We're all living in a powder key with a smoldering fuse. PTSD is rampant...
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This will go on until every last one of them is dead and their head mounted on a spike.
The politicians, the media, the activists and their stupid braindead followers... All. Of. Them.
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Shout out to @theatlantic.com for their cover story on Qanon years before MSM took notice. Please do the same for Groypers. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/qanon-nothing-can-stop-what-is-coming/610567/?gift=sVGEh7OAf33D7CEcGTYm11ERlUWUVstPM_tYvLL7wgo&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
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They are truly the undesirables.
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Black people have been dealing with this for over a century.

Y'all can't handle the barest smidge of an obstacle. Besides being embarrassing, it's why you keep losing.

The hwytes who would rather be at brunch really need to get a grip.
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Yes i have been chastised for calling Kirk a NAZI... In this case a sacrificial NAZI pig.. who a couple of weeks ago I questioned his life span being he was hitting The Rapist King on Epstein.. and the pattern is clear.. the would be assassin was a Incel.. and killed to keep quiet... next thing
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His ammunition was covered with left wing rhetoric...

... but that was due to him being such a massive right wing troll that it's spilled over into his offline life too...

Let's still just report it as 'online indoctrination' instead.
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Oh they can't WAIT
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…… they continue on with distractions and pretend “ one of their own” didn’t screw up.
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They aren't "captured by the right" they are working the way liberal institutions have always worked
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Liberals are also the right. Liberals are and have always been diet right.
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Well and what about Epstein…vanished from the media
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It's awful. I can't watch any of the national news media with the non stop droning and then Mathew Dowd speaks some truth and gets fired and MAGA and FOX never shut up with their hate on news and in tweets when something bad happens to a Dem.
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😢😢😢😢😢
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Yep. Decent people NEED to realize that the 77 million trump voters are never coming around to decency, truth, and reality?

The choice of decent people:

a) allow republicans to continue to fuckup everything

b) devise a secession strategy to get away from republican abuses.
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I've been stating this for many years. You can't negotiate with fascist nazis. Far past time to split the country.
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It is going on since 2016. I say we are just not being aggressive enough.
Tone down the rhetoric? We need to cut this crap.
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Introspection is outlawed by MAGA GOP’s dear leader
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I have Trans family members. The agony we felt the last 3 days was awful. They are kind loving and gentle people
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I think pretty soon they won't even wait, they'll just start shooting.
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You mean Socialist Democrats!
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No, we mean fascist republicans
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We should be telling the truth. Charlie Kirk is still alive. Charlie Kirk’s assassination is obviously a deep state operation and all the people are crisis actors.
This whole thing is designed to try and make democrats out to be radical violent terrorists so trump can become the king of the US.
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It's the Rachet Effect, but for assassinations.
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So much this. We need to break propaganda networks in order to try and restore our culture
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ABC World News with David Muir ignored all of trump's inciting rants on Fox Morning.

ABC News covering up for the inciter in chief.
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The president declared war on 1/3 of Americans to his millions of psychotic gun toting followers. Democrat majority cities are being invaded and militarized by federally supported red state military and militias. What happens to us the next time 1 of those lunatics shoots another? We die.
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The time has come for a purge and it may be bloody !
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