No real problem with ordinary folks asking about the 25th, but every time a congressman asks for the cabinet to remove a president you should read that as them abdicating their own duty to pursue impeachment through congress

April 05, 2026 - 15:41 UTC

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The 25th amendment immediately removes the guy from his post until Congress votes to reinstate him. In contrast, an impeachment motion leaves him in place able to do damage as he likes until Congress votes to remove him. It's legitimate for members of Congress to talk about the 25th amendment also.
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The bar for achieving a 25th amendment removal is far higher than for Impeachment.

An elected whining about how they can't do an impeachment, while asking for somebody to bail them out on a 25th, is making excuses for abdicating their job & assuming voters don't know enough to call them out for it.
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I read it as “Trump is insane and this is obvious and those who do nothing are complicit” which is a good statement.
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Nothing is going to happen with a majority republican, that’s why many are leaving, but it will follow them. #VoteBlue
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... for the rest of their lives!
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Senator Murphy rightly judges that impeachment is not realistic, the president's party is in the majority and absolutely will not move forward with articles of impeachment.

Though it's equally unlikely that Trump's allies in the cabinet will do a damn thing, it could at least happen more quickly.
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Impeachment requires 1/2 in the house and 2/3rds in the senate. 25A requires 2/3 in *both* houses *and* the vice president *and* half the cabinet.

If you think impeachment is not realistic for political reasons, 25A is strictly always less realistic
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Tough shit
Read his crimes and make an honest attempt to introduce Articles of Impeachment anyway.
Make it a daily thing.
Never let up.
THIS IS WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.
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Like impeachment worked so well the last two times. When the Republican majority chooses a madman bent on destroying us because they are afraid of losing their career, impeachment is no longer an option. The disciples, aka the Cabinet, won’t do it either because they are all cowards too.
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The Constitution says impeachment

but if you have a better plan to remove the fascist regime and destroy its power I'm all ears

Seriously, what's your plan for removing the fascists from power?
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Pelosi impeached as little as possible, as late as possible, as quickly as possible, and on the narrowest possible grounds, drastically reducing the chances of getting a conviction.

Here's an in-depth account of how Pelosi sabotaged the first two impeachments:

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/10/17/the-reluctant-impeacher-nancy-pelosis-00061653
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The fact that only 79 members of Congress—less than 20 percent of the House—voted for this actual real impeachment resolution is all one needs to know about how utterly hopeless this country is.
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To be fair, given our current political climate, neither of them is a viable option since it would take a fair number of Republicans to split from Trump and they seem pretty incapable of doing that in large enough numbers.
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Oh now you're reminding me of how mad I got at Pelosi after Jan 6 happened.
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Trump regularly requires his cabinet to publicly praise him and express their fealty. It’s my belief that that they are all corrupt and he has dirt on every one of them. Expecting them all to crack and turn on him is unrealistic. They know his presidency is key to their eventual pardons.
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🙌🏼
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basically everyone who's ever been in a position of authority when it comes to stopping trump:
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Particularly if that person has voted to fund the very thing he’s now mad about, which bizarrely often happens.
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Feels like so much of the rise of Donald trump is the institutions and people who can hold him to account repeatedly saying "alas, woe is me, why won't someone hold him to account" and then choosing to let him off the hook again
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it'd be nice if we had a Congress. There really should be three branches of government.
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25th won't work. Impeach
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Can we not push for both?
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What is this word, Con-grease? Is that some kind of European thing?
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I see it as a recognition that Thune wouldn’t even hold a trial, a precedent set by Mitch McConnell. Impeachment has been proven to be a dead letter. We won’t vote him out, and impeachment of the president has never led to removal. Only the 25th remains untried.
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The 25th requires 2/3rds in the house and senate to permanently remove. If you have those numbers you can impeach; if you don't, 25A won't work
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CC: @chrismurphyct.bsky.social
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Adding @congressmannion.bsky.social because I haven't even heard him bring up the 25th but not howdy is he terrified of the one thing they are literally responsible for doing on our behalf as congresspeople. Impeach, you little bitches.
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Especially when it's a Republican, i.e. a member of the majority in Congress
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If members of Congress are calling for the 25th instead of using their own tools (oversight, hearings, impeachment), that’s a reasonable critique of abdication. If they’re doing it alongside those tools as political pressure, it’s harder to call it an abdication.
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Remember Pelosi running around on 1/7, demanding that Trump’s own people 25th him, while she tried to take his constitutional powers like the nukes away from him by going to the Joint Chiefs?

None of that was OK. She should’ve impeached him on 1/6, right after they certified the election.
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YES
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Immediate decisive action. That was the golden hour and it was wasted.
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This. A thousand times this.

For such a shrewd political operator, it absolutely baffles me she chose that path. I will never understand it.

Do it on the 6th - Congress was in joint session, and ALL of them were witnesses and targets. Impeach, walk down the hall, gavel in the Senate, remove.
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They even be arsed to vote no on his nominees.
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And the 25th still doesn't do anything. All he has to do is write a letter and he resumes the office and powers of the presidency.

It takes 2/3 of BOTH houses to remove him via the 25th. The intended remedy for this circumstance is impeachment.
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Is it too much to ask a public servant to do their flipping job.
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I guess you could say “well it’s not a *crime* to be a senile old idiot”, except that in this case we all know damn well he’s also doing crimes.
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Imaging Trump’s cabinet looking around at each other. Suddenly one has something stir up inside him almost resembling resolve. He steps forward and… immediately falls over, tripping on the shoes he is wearing that are 2 sizes too big.
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It takes a simple majority to impeach in the House but a 2/3 majority to remove. We need 19 more to remove, 20 more if you discount Fetterman
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I have never understood why people advocate it at all in these situations, the bar is higher than impeachment. Absent a 2/3rd vote in both chambers "the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office."
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The 25th amendment a solution. It’s for invalidity. If the president insists he’s not incapable, it takes a higher threshold in congress to confirm than impeachment
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It’s a red herring as Vance wouldn’t invoke it because Trump would absolutely destroy him. Be fun to watch their party tear itself apart like rats in a boot, but it won’t happen.
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*isn’t a solution
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It’s wishcasting, pleading for magical solutions just like Mueller or Jack Smith or the “Hamilton electors” or any of the imagined white knights that were never going to do anything to stop this.
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Fiction, yet a book that gave a bit of insight as to complexity of invoking 25th: Night of Camp David by Fletcher Knebel.
This past year of geographically relocating parts of agencies, and certain advisors/politicians and cabinet members living on military installations - information control.
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Why? Calling on the gop to adhere to their oaths of office is good, regardless of whether it works. The gop cld end it & their inaction shld be criticized

Dems shld try to impeach, but they can’t do it alone, so there’s gonna need to be public pressure on the gop regardless of what dems do
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Right up there with people expecting the military to do a coup.
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The same military that believes bombing Iran will conjure Jesus.
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It's much easier to draw a knife after Brutus makes the first stab.
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(Publius Servilius Casca)
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IG the 25th's more immediate: a single vote to immediately disempower him, rather than even the highly streamlined process of a House majority vote & a Senate supermajority vote.

But also, I'm fine w Reps calling for the 25th while also demanding impeachment & drafting articles.

Belt & suspenders.
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I told him bsky.app/profile/numb.comfortab.ly/post/3mira5odzok2p
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Every time? When has this happened?
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the minority party doesn't have that lever to pull without a bunch of repubs from the majority agreeing
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US can impeach both for war crimes. Need Congressional approval for a new VP. Have McConnell admit they screwed up, that should’ve removed Trump & that Pence should’ve been President now. Replace Johnson with Pence. Impeach Vance then Trump. Pence becomes President. Pick a new Speaker. Make arrests.
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Thank you for saying this. I’m not a policy wonk just an angry American citizen
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The 25th seems useful for an immediate emergency, like medical issue where a president can't voluntarily transfer power temporarily (like they could ahead of a planned surgery) but not so much for something like this.
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"If only there was a way I could do something about it" is truly an unbelievable thing for a sitting United States Senator to say.
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100%.
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In earnest if they did call for impeachment you would also have to say it's not happening cause there isn't 21~ Republicans to vote for it anywhere in the entire country.

It legitimately does not matter towards material reality and acting like it does wastes your time.
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100%
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If the Constitution were functioning, today would be a race to see whether impeachment or 25A happens first, with both moving quickly and determinedly.
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You mean if the Republican Party were functioning.
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I could see appealing to both, especially if you’re been advocating for impeachment consistently. But demanding of the Cabinet what you won’t do yourself is chicken shit.
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How many times do you think congress can fail to impeach the president before it starts making the president look untouchable
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Idk. But every day they don't impeach him adds one to the count
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And actually, they don't even need to have the votes to impeach. Any four of the 36 who are leaving could instead hand the gavel to Democrats and end this nightmare. Today.
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Yes. Also this. bsky.app/profile/seanbhecht.bsky.social/post/3mirno65a2s2b
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