Like just think about it for a moment. If the natural parent is a mess, whose fault is that generally? That shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Sometimes I will see extremely good parents who end up with this hot mess child, but good parents still will not file guardianship petitions.
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And then these fuckpiles of human beings, after taking their child’s children away, will force them to pay fucking child support.

Even though they always have means, and their child does not.
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I try not to speak in absolutes like this. I keep thinking maybe there will be a case out there where good grandparents just have to go this route

I’ve yet to see it. And the grandparents ALWAYS win in these cases. Because family law/guardianship/dependency judges always suck. Always.
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