Religion does NOT belong in our schools!

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I think people should learn about religions as a phenomenon - they have shaped our history and still shape the lives of the majority of the human race so are an important phenomenon. But schools should teach people to follow a religion, and other subjects should not be influenced by them.
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Very well put! Understanding the historical effects and consequences of religion -- both good and bad -- and the role of faith in people's lives is important for both believers and nonbelievers IMO. As an atheist, I would have liked to have had more education about it in school.
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It doesn't belong anywhere. People should not be brainwashed and indoctrinated by stone age fairytales made up to control people & be misogynistic towards women & girls.
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religion is more than just christianity, and even christianity is incredibly varied in its practice and doctrine.

anti-theism is cultural genocide
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Agreed
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Don’t want to cause too much drama but I think religion is the reason so much problems exist today
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REAL EDUCATION belongs in school. Not lies about how much better White Americans are than the rest of the world, not religion, and not the sociopolitical agendas of immature and narcissistic White Americans with no real culture, thinking they’re better than those who actually HAVE a culture.
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Fascinating exchanges! But the bigger issue is: why do smart, thoughtful people, working with the same logic and evidence, come to radically different conclusions on the existence of a personal God?
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Yea, and if you allow one religion, you have to allow ALL religions! Bloody Evangelicals demanding we change our lives for their god - fuck all the way off! The hypocrites don’t even practice their own religion.
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Seemed self evident to The Founders.
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💯💯💯💯💯
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Disagree. Separation between church and state is vastly different than the Establishment Clause. One judge's ruling doesn't make them the same....

However, I think the themes and attitudes from religion should be taught more than the literally bible. End of the world stories should not be taught
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I think we should change it to Theology, expose the kids to different belief systems and let them choose, no indoctrination.
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Agreed, I want cgruch I go to church
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Parents have the rights choose in Australian public schools.
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Where's the Berlin wall?
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Irony.
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religion does not give you authorization to rule my actions or my life. mind your own business pseudo-religious people. dont mind my skeletons when you have a cementery on yours.
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Disagree. Religion class us how I realized religion is made-up gobbledygook. You just have to teach religion as part of social studies. Comparative religion, that is. Introduce as many as possible, and show their similarities. Like how the bible ripped off bunch of ancient tales like Gilgamesh.
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That I do agree with! I think the OP means that religion doesn't belong in schools if kids are being forced to pray or listen to their principal or teachers pray. Teaching about all religions and Atheism should be part of the curriculum.
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Christian nationalists—regressive Catholic or Protestant—fail both church and country. They confuse power for patriotism, greed for grace, and graven idols for American ideals.
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No. De- regulate all religions, and take their meeting places away. They have the options of turning them into places for the homeless, selling to private home owners, or in some cases-turn into a museum. You’re free to have a religion, just no public meeting places.
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Absolutely agreed!!
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I’m 27, I disagree. I enjoyed religion in class as it was a 30 minutes of nice singing, every words of the prayer being read was meaningful, and for some of us kids back then, it teaches us compassion,empathy, kindness, respect and honor. #mypersonalopinion 🫶
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Agreed! 🤬 Bunch of idiots, Take YOUR child TO church for their religious learning! But maybe parents won’t take them there because they don’t go there themselves! Religion is best learned from those who dedicated their life to teaching their faith!
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I feel like our history classes taught what the more popular religions were and their core beliefs. Or maybe I just read it in a book at the library myself 🤷🏽. Unfortunately, I know the folks who want religion in school are only talking about one religion 😮‍💨🤦🏽
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They're only talking about their subset of one religion, but they will be shocked when others push their subsets on their kids
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Faith is an integral part of being human. Perhaps even a part of all living things. we don't need state sanctioned religion. We all need faith
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Is this a "political activism is a kind of faith" type of post ?
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I don’t need religion. Or faith.
It’s all nonsense to me.
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I do not agree, there is too much to learn about science that we have learned by studying religion to separate the two.
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Genuinely curious, such as?
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I thought that's the way it was supposed to be. The religion to look after the "spiritual " well being of the population and the state to care for the physical well-being of the population with perhaps a bit of interaction on health and economic distribution. The rest, hands off both sides.
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I think only in Biblical Terms ....give unto the Romans what is required ( taxes and laws ) and unto The Lord what is mine ....state and church .

There are of course other religions and other interpretations....
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most definitely. Religion in schools gives you intellectual hellscapes.
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✋🏻✋🏻
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True dat
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This thread needs a lot more definitional clarity. Depending on your definition of religion, some of the replies are arguing that materialistic nihilism should be taught as a state religion, and others are arguing for comparative religion class electives, which are status quo in much of the west.
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This is the only wall that the United States of America truly needs.
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Religion should be in the same class as entertainment. Bread circuses and gods
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Amen.

Sorry, I mean yes! Yes I agree.
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Separation of church and state helps to keep religion truly free!
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When Honesty, Openness, Integrity and justice tempered by mercy and compassion is practiced by all, religion takes a back seat and is personal.
All wise men are of the same religion, they just keep it to themselves.
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Does that belief make you feel secure? It seems kind of elitest. Like only the wise can be redeemed/achieve salvation ??? What if Im a fool and still love GOD abd want to go to heaven? Honest question.
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the recent rise of antidisestablishmentarianism is really concerning
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Very much agree 👍
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Science and religion simply DO NOT mix.
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Sure but Religion has played a very large part in Science.
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Fortunately, Science has overcome that handicap.
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I say teach all religions in school and then tax the churches and evangilists so they can’t rake in the money! you want to be in our Public Schools pay the public school tax we all pay!
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I am Catholic and I am NOT Baptist so NO indoctrination of my child into your religion, those teachings belong to me and MY CHURCH, now I have to repudiated your F'd up 💩 every night at dinner? No thx🤬
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Get the MAGATS to pay for it...
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Ask the muxz about it.
Their religion and government is of one
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Sadly, imho many of the churches have taken Christ out of the church. Perhaps churches need to put Christ back in the church and leave the schools along!
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What would that accomplish? It's Santa-Claus-for-adults either way, it's a make-belief concept everybody knows isn't real that exists to simplify explanations for complex issues without easy answers (otherwise).
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As a pastors wife, religion does not belong in public schools. There are many religions, be part of what you believe.
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Agree, por supuesto!
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Religion is indoctrination and has no place in education (or society).
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Hi Michael, good afternoon
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My daughter teaches here in Oklahoma. Her district is anti- Walters, as most teachers are. And she teaches science at a rural high school.
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Besides religion is left to personal interpretation!
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If you want your child to receive religious instruction in school, pay the tuition! Otherwise, take care of this at home & take them to church. Other people should not have to pay for your desire to have your child pray at school & if that’s going to happen, all religions should be represented
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As someone who was educated in Catholic schools from 5-18, I agree. I can’t complain about the education (much) but the religious indoctrination haunts me to this day (I will have to say 5 Hail Mary’s now).
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Similar could be said the other way tbf,,, if you want to curate your child's education and restrict their knowledge base, keeping them away from stuff like different religions,, home school them and keep them with you instead trusting most of their life and knowledge in an educators hands 🤔
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I am forced to pay for Government education through taxes. Allow me to opt out and use my portion to be distributed at my discretion then.
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This is exactly my opinion. I am actually a supporter of teaching religion in schools, but not in the way that is being pushed. I would love to see diverse religious education (even if it's just the big 4 of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity) available to kids in school.
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Kids can pray at school and learn about religions. Those are legal things to do. A teacher can't lead or pray publicly or tell you any given religion is true or whatever as a teacher.
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Especially the MAGAA Church State.
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MAGGA = MAGGAssholes??
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If it is, it's a part of history and you TEACH ALL OF IT! Every religion and every horrific thing that has come from it. Every horrible druidic sacrificing to the torture crusades to the Holocaust.
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I didn't know that Hitler had a religious persuasion.....it was race rather than religion that drove his final solution
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I totally disagree.
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So, you support Sharia law in Western Civilisation?
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Hail Satan then, eh?
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A). Check European history from 1618-1648.
The 30 years war....
courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-fmcc-boundless-worldhistory/chapter/the-thirty-years-war/

One of the reasons why Germans love to keep politics and religion separated.

B) Or check the history of Turkey
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atat%C3%BCrk%27s_reforms. Atatürk separated religion from ...
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2/3 politics/government in order to modernize Turkey.
Turkey was the poster child for an open Islamic country with Western ideals. Erdogan is subduing and dismantling it. The US following his example.
Religion should be taught but in form of ethics or philosophy classes introducing all major ...
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I spent 12 years educated by the Catholic school system. I graduated with a degree in guilt.
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I got that degree at home from my Jewish-raised mother😉
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I think history of religion courses should be offered in high school to teach about the similarities and differences of various religions along with their positive and negative effects on society.
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too a certain extent yes. I don think it's bad o teach children about religion. But it should not decide things like what a child is and isn't allowed to learn.
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Government should not dictate or coerce religious beliefs.

While I would suggest, people should be able to follow their faith in schools, just not a government imposed religion or faith.
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*As long as it doesn't harm others
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Make the church pay for it, they can afford it
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If you want prayer in school, send kids to a Christian school. But I remember learning about religion just as a “general life knowledge” kind of thing and I’m grateful for that. Why do we need to learn the difference between socialism, capitalism etc and not know what Jews, Muslims etc believe in.
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That's religious studies. Very different
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Understanding a range of religions is important to help integrate children into our society.
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I distinctly remember learning about the different religions in my social studies class

you know, the class specifically there to teach you about how people live their lives

the one everyone calls useless for some reason ._.
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you need to learn the difference between economic models because you interact with your economy every single day

some people know so little that they confuse things like capitalism for commerce, some people don't know what the means of production even *is*
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I have learned general knowledge of all the world religions in school, and I'm 50. Anyone could also pray-just not a teacher led full class prayer.
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Because religion no longer governs international interactions?
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As you should. Learning about our differences is important. But learning about it is very different from indoctrination.
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Art does not belong...

Education about religion / religions does belong into school as part of knowledge gaining, to make people able to compare and chose.

Uneducated people fall prey to rabble-rousers here as well.
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Agree with your 2nd two paragraphs, but why do you think art doesn't belong? Are you referring to something more specific?
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An understanding of various religions on a basic level is required to understand the society around you. Art, while a weak point for some, is the absolute strength for others and without the arts our society is a poorer place. Balance everything, use further education to excel in chosen areas.
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Art?
You mean a subject that brings in billions of pounds a year, possibly more than any other subject, for many different industries, that art?
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Nope. Because it would be translated into whatever evil the Christian’s want that religion to be. They have proven themselves to be unchristian like
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Yes, most definitely, although some secular viewpoints have been imposed on people like religion and that is also problematic. Schools should be a place for critical thinking and exploring all the evidence rather than have beliefs imposed on them.
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Agreed 100%!
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Religion does not belong to the atheist. It belong to the those who wants to learn. Sex education is needed, but teach a teenager about it not a fricking 10 years old
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Everyone should be free to practice religion if they want to, but no one should be forced to pearn ANY religion.
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I agree with this honesty
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I go to a pretty religious school, and although most of the staff are catholic, they never push it on us. I'm Jewish, we have a bunch of Islamic, Buddhist, and a couple of other religions throughout, and while I agree that it's awful to push belief onto students, it's definitely good to learn about.
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The issue is they are going to be teaching the Bible and the Bible alone. Not the Qur’an, Hebrew Bible, Buddhism, etc.
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You sound like a Communist.
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Communists use their power to stop anyone from following a religious belief. This argument is about using power to make everyone follow one religion. Two very different things!
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Not necessarily. Like all subjects, religion should be part of a balanced curriculum and open to individual democratic choice. Censoring religious teachings is similar to censoring history, and there's already been enough of that done in the name of purported human progress.
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I learned just fine about the effects religion had on history without prayer being in school, without reading the Bible. The only school religion belongs in, is Sunday school.
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Absolutely not. Learning about religion from an historical point of view is one thing, but under no circumstances should children be taught things in school that aren't scientifically back or require faith.
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Religion isn't being censored, it's just not useful as anything but one note of context in Lit, world history, and perhaps some high school level sociology.

There is nothing about religion that is important for human development any more than we need to discuss cannibalism.
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There's already literature that covers fictional novels
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I like the way it's done in my country. We have religion as a subject, where we´re taught about the cultural and historical aspects of all different kinds of religion (not just Christianity) we were taught about how they were formed and how they impact people who follow them today :)
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Do you believe that it’s a good idea to lie to kids in schools? Which religion? Catholic, Muslim, Pastafarian? Any religion or just a selection? And why religion instead of philosophy? I don’t know, but I think it’s much better for religion to stay in churches and not in schools.
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There's a difference between teaching religion as a phenomenon and preaching the gospel.
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I partially agree.
I’ll say
No Wall•
No State: to either support or hinder the free expression of religion•
No Theocracy•
Let us build a temple for gathering together, feasting and giving thanks. 🙏🏼
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No state, but dont forget to pay for your private road service. private fire service, private parks and wildlife preserves, uhoh we got attacked by a foreign power, hope enough people paid for the private military service. live somewhere rural? not profitable enough to deliver mail there so no mail.
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As someone else said, if they can’t make it work in church, how are they gonna make it work in schools?
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Religion saves lives
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Or takes Lifes.
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Tell that to the children of Gaza.
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I agree. Neither does LGBTQIABCDE+ propaganda, drag queens, any kind of porn, weapons, drugs, pedos, and more. School is for learning. We need to get back to basics. Leave the social issues to the streets.
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LGBTQ+ is science-based. People need to learned about it so they don't believe bigoted propaganda.
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That’s the problem! WE ALL NEED JESUS!
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I don't.
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That’s just your belief.
Does not apply to everyone.
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Whether or not that's true, public school is not the place to teach religion. That's what church is for.
Do you want the school board or the DoE to decide how to interpret scripture? Should public school teach Jesus as catholic, baptist, Mormon, Lutheran, Episcopalian, or Presbyterian?
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You believe that because your parents took to church since you were a baby. What we need to teach is about all the religions of the world and how they work and how many problems they bring. The state of the world now is horrible because of religion.
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We also need to treat others as we ourselves would be treated, and a non-Christian shoving their religion on our children in public school is something we wouldn't ever want. Keep religion out of schools unless neutrally educating on all religions.
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You need mental healthcare.
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Do you have any other magical invisible men in the sky beliefs as well?
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And ? we all need to eat and poo, but we do not do it in classroom...
We also need Marx and Nietzsche or other great philosophical or spiritual figures, but we do not have to pray them to have a present (at Christmas, date, or worse, after life : in other words never)
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No! We surely don’t!
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Katherine... read the room
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I think the idea that science and religion are diametrically opposed and cannot coexist is wrong
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Exactly. Science is based on observable and quantifiable evidence; religion is based on faith. Faith can help people deal with uncertainty and things they can't change. But belief can't be forced, and making somebody go through the motions doesn't help them. 1/2
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Church does not belong in this country.
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The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. If anything, this country is designed to be a safe haven for religion.
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For the millionth time, yes! 😞
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Want results to stop the crazy... change the narrative...
If changing the curriculum in schools is so important to a few wanting to teach kids about one specific religion they must be fair to all...the requirement should be to teach about ALL religions in ALL public schools!!!
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They won't agree to teaching all religions because they are afraid the truth will be told... correct teaching leads to in depth study and examination which always exposes the origin of any disease.
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Won't work, they'll only want evangelicalism.
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I went to a Catholic school and we learned about world religions . I found that very interesting and eye opening . I dont belive there should be religion led schools. Teach a variety of different religions to educate not to indoctrinate.
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Totally agree 👍
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AMEN!
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Agree ✋🏻💯%
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Also our tax dollars should not subsidize private religious schools. That's what private is supposed to mean
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If anything it is abundantly clear in America that "private enterprise" "bootstraps", "self made man" etc are all code words for "only got to where they are at by suckling at the trough of public tax dollars"

They'll call us welfare queens if we get food stamps while getting mansions with tax $$$
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america is disintegrating
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As a religious person, I do not think religion and school should mix. Keep them separate from each other
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We should learn about religion and faith -- what they are, and their place in society, both in the past and present. But that's not the same as indoctrination, or forcing somebody to go through the motions. That needs to be a personal decision.
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Would be great if we can just deport all the Christians instead of anyone else.
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And churches should be taxed
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But what if parents want to send their children to faith based schools?
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Then pay for it. They are your kids, indoctrinate them any way you see fit.
Don't expect the taxpaying public to support your particular religion.
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Then send them, it is your choice. Just make sure that it is a true faith based school.
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I disagree.
Much of the discrimination & prejudice we see in the world today comes from misinformation about religion. Kids should be taught about all religions & to be tolerant of others views. It is the only way to end such discrimination.

Religion influencing politics, now that has to stop.
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Not unless it's in an actual class on comparative religions and their accurate historical and societal significance.

Religious curriculum / indoctrination belongs ONLY in private religious schools; NOT in ANY public schools.

Ever.
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Can the wall be higher, and not build so close to the wall?
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Just teach the history of religion. Don't proselytize. Let the religious schools do that.
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I think religion could make a brief cameo in history class. As much as I hold to my Christian faith and want everyone to know Jesus, I disagree with discrimination of at least a mention of other beliefs.
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Agreed! Religion does not belong in our government and certainly not on the fucking Supreme Court.
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and tax those fuckin churches!
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Especially Megachurches, fuck megachurches!
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Most of them are grifts anyway! Tax tax tax!
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That breaks the separation, that’s why I don’t like that idea, the secular and religious need to stay separate
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Yes, and as long it isnt, make use of the tax tricks and send money to good causes ( some churches truly send the monies to good causes, not the big ones for sure.
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Churches are funded by donations and fundraisers, and they provide services to the community that wanted a church. Most of them can hardly afford to stay open even without taxes. Taxing churches essentially punishes religion; that’s how it would be interpreted. You’d have riots and more people hurt.
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AMEN to that!
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Keep them away from schools, but we shouldn't tax places of religious worship.
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This I agree!
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Leaders often use religion as a tool to legitimize their authority and maintain control over the people. By aligning themselves with a religious doctrine, they create a sense of divine approval for their rule. Legitimization, social control, suppression, unity. Democracies require a big wall.
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The only difference between a religion and a cult is... that the person at the top who knows it's bs is still alive in a cult.
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I can only imagine the screaming of "blasphemous witch" from the other side...
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Abolish public schools.

Problem solved.
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This is exactly the opposite of the right way to go.
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🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡
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Kinda seems like this is going to start a storm of islamophobia.....
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More like a phobia of all religions.
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(UK here) Religion should be taught critically. Not accepted as fact or taught by clergymen, as was the case when I was at school. Questioning or disagreeing was met by detention or even corporal punishment. (I’m old) God or gods must be very insecure that children were assaulted for scepticism.
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I believe this here. ⬆️ That being said, what is currently being shoved down our throats is Christian nationalism. THIS does not belong in our schools.
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I agree with your sentiment but it's too big a hassle to bother with because no matter how you do it you are infringing on someone's rights and religion, and quite frankly we should not waste the time on it. People need more education in other areas and taking time away from those doesn't work.
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Kids should be taught about religion in the same way that they should be taught about sexual predators & credit, in my opinion.
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The should be taught critical thinking that is not what to think but how to think.
How to discern between what works and what doesn't work.
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In my opinion, I think religion should be taught by people who believe it, but I don't think this should be exclusive to one religion. Teach as many religions as you can. Let the kids form their own beliefs from that.
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Opinion: Church, state, and science should remain distinct. Science seeks facts pragmatically, religion offers ethics and morality, and the state should remain neutral, drawing value from both when needed. With this, despite our differences, humanity remains kind of unified in an imperfect world.
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The state has no need of religion. Ever. Keep it in yoir holy places and away from people who have power.
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Agreed. Religions & secular beliefs as well.
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When i attended school some years ago we were all taught the separation of church and state. I believe in it to this day. Religion does not belong in public schools.
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Well neither does state then. Can't not learn about what makes the world tick just because Henry 8th wanted to chop his wives up. Half the world still conjoins religion and state. We ought to wake up to our own plight of being overwhelmed by lack of nuance. #education #religion #dogma
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Our schools have a seminary class which is completely optional. I feel like this is a perfect compromise.
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All of our laws are based on the ten commandments. You think with religion 24 hours a day.
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Remove "In God We Trust" from all government documents.
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Agreed! This is a primary reason Christian Nationalists want tax dollar funded school vouchers for private schools... so the public money can be stripped away from the public schools that they are unable to indoctrinate with.
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Public Schools, agreed. Private schools are a trickier subject as they can be religious if they want to be.
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That's what this nation's founding fathers wanted.
Give religious fanatics an inch, and they'll seize many miles.
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I’m convent school educated and was happy at school but I agree with you wholeheartedly
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And we'll pay for it happily.
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When Western colonizers entered Asia /Africa, they had the Bible and the Asians/ Africans had land.
In a few years, the Asians / Africans had the Bible and the westerners had the land.
So that’s the role of the Church historically.
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With smiles on their faces and murder in their hearts.
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Asians have the highest wealth so thoers that
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That’s extremely reductive. I’m not defending colonization but that’s not what happened. Colonization in Africa started with coastal tribes establishing alliances with Westerns. Westerners got resources and valuable trade routes and the locals got advanced weapons and protection of their coast.
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With a small hole for them to pass their taxes through.
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Or our Government!!
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Ppl are going to learn real quick that u cant discriminate and that means multiple religions.
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It’s 2024 bro. Unfortunately you CAN discriminate again 😔
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if the churches wanna be so involved in politics they can pay some damn taxes
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It’s the wall we actually need…
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Which confuses me, my grandma says we should stay out of politics because of our religion, is that a Jehova witness thing verses a christan thing?
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Hard to believe that this is even a conversation in the 21st century.

Some people seem to be confusing faith and knowledge.

It’s faith that should be separate from the state and our schools.

How to separate faith and culture? Xmas is part of both. If we flatten our culture we are diminished.
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To draw the line I offer:

if a consequential decision is being made based on religious faith that is at odds with secular beliefs and customs then the line may have been crossed.

*I am not a philosopher. They probably have better arguments.
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Nobody is arguing to separate religion from culture. First of all, it's impossible. Second, what's even the point? What religion does need to be separated from is politics and science. Religion must not dictate how either of these fields operates, period.
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The Primary People responsible for religious knowledge and activities by children are - THEIR PARENTS/GUARDIANS.
Most things humans do in life are not based on religion and public schools should focus on those things.
Go to Religious schools for religious education!
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The ONLY wall we need.
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unironically yes. the pussy centrists had their chance and fucked it up. time to hand the reigns over to people with conviction in their beliefs and not celebrating endorsements from fucking Bush and Cheney.
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What were the crusades about? What was the outlawing of paganism and the burning of temples about? What is the punitive angle taken at private schools about?

Historically speaking, one don't gain or keep hegemony without a fair deal of force.
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That's communism in the extreme. Bottom of the bell curve opposite fascism. That's not where most of the world are.
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Agreed. Specifically, public schools should not be allowed to force religious practices onto students. This includes subliminal or passive teachings of worship (e.g. collective “prayer,” or hanging the Ten Commandments in classrooms).
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At this pt. Let the protestants, Lutherans, jehovahs witness, Mormons & Catholics & Fundamentalists duel. Idc
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Oooh, "You only get public funding if there's only *one* of you, how you do that, you figure out". But where would we get enough 🍿?
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Get out lunatics
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Maintaining a secular government and public education system is essential for maintaining a free and open society. However, I don't think this is one of their real goals. It's a red herring, a issue designed to be lost. Intended to deplete the will to resist.
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It won’t be a free and open society with Donnie at the helm.
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the very ones who were complaining about indoctrination of children in schools ... are now indoctrinating children in schools ..
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True. Except that wall and government is not to divde but to protect freedom of religion. Remember back in the day and even today state sponsored religions liked to wage war on others.
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Science is the same thing that prove that there are two genders?
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Science also proves that transgender people are real. But something tells me you aren't exactly an avid reader nor a connoisseur of the sciences.
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Religion doesn't belong, full stop.
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