Dune, 1965
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Is it ironic that the quote was displayed on an e-book reader device and not a page from a book?
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Not really, it's about "thinking machines made in the likeness of or to counterfeit a human mind."
It's not about all machines.
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In the history of SF I can think of only 1 example of useful, functioning AI- 'Buck Rogers in the 25th Cen'.
Huer says after the nuclear war, governing was given over to the blinky AI Council for reliable leadership. Even then Dr Theo was an iconoclast.
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It never gets any more explanation or exploration than that in the series.

Also, in Star Wars every droid is autonomous if not sentient, but still very beholden to their programming/function.
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He says, reading from a kindle 😉
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A Kindle thinks?
The text is about thinking machines, not machines per se.
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Sei que esses leitores são pequenos, e a letra grande pode tornar mais confortável a leitura, mas como conseguem ler com tão pouco texto na tela?
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Frank Herbert was a genius
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I want to do space cocaine and firebomb a data center making gooner waifus and right-wing propaganda.
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@alt-text.bsky.social ||| for anyone who is interested: You can set up an #alttext prompt by going to Settings > Accessibility > Require alt text before posting
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Alt text retrieved
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go groke go broke
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Gemini tells me this is the flag for the Butlerian jihad
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In before anyone says "but but but the Fremen use machines technically" it's an analogy for the means of production.
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..also it's about *thinking machines*, not regular machines. Not lines of production. It's about computers and "AI" in the actual sense. The setting is full of machines that everyone uses, from the Fremen to the Emperor. But they all avoid *THINKING* machines.
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Quite happy to go on a Butlerian Jihad against the tech bros.
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As written
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“I told ya, bruddah, these machina goes against the teachings.”
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Never forget
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Frank Herbert so prescient he might have been a bene gesserit
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A male bene gesserit, so... the kwisatz haderach
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even more true today than when it was written. Truly horrifying
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reality is much worse than fiction
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History written by the winners. In a society that’s run by religious fanatics and literally turns humans into machine parts.
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Graham Nash - Be Yourself, 1971

We needed a tutor
So built a computer
And we programmed ourselves not to see
The truth and the lying
The dead and the dying
A silent majority
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Prescience.
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Guarantee 99% of Tech Bros have read Dune. I kinda feel like the Gen X tech bros grew up in the 80 ‘s where nerd was the most hazed and laughed at. They want their own world where people respect the Nerd and they are indifferent towards other’s suffering. Plus a lot of them are racist af.
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It’s been awhile but I recall some pretty prescient stuff in Infinite Jest too. I def remember the subsidized time in place of years. It appears 2025 is, in fact, the year of the depends adult undergarment 🍊
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I just love when historical texts have considered things, figured out the most probable outcomes, and suggest a solution or at least offer a warning, and then people ignore it wholesale.
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This is why the fascists aim to ban literature they disagree with. They don't want people warning of possible futures or history rhyming with itself. They don't want people to think about what they consume- but rather blindly consume without thought.
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The Butlerian Jihad is coming!
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It’s like all these authors and artists saw this coming, and we’re still worshipping the toasters.
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Your break time is over, now get back to your station in the Amazon Spice Production Facility, the Amazon Spice must flow!
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Herbert-stans have always been there.
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I am living in this reality at work for a pharmaceutical company.
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Butlerian jihad is my go-to for my feelings on LLMs
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Of course the context a lot of people seem to miss somehow is that the butlerian jihad and thousands of years of stellar imperialism that followed also weren't great, nor inseparable from their return to neofeudal modes due to "available labor".
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"Every man in his place; and a place for every man."

It's one of those things that is immediately suspicious when you think 5 minutes about it, but sounds good when you're just coming out of something that was arguably worse.
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But the Imperialism in Dune wasn't just a consequence of Butlerian Jihad. There were more things happening in human society aside from that. The context is much wider than "Butlerian Jihad: yes or not".
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The Butlerian Jihad had to rely on religious fanaticism to rally the support to wipe out the thinking machines empire once and for all.

The downside is also the religious fanaticism that resulted from it, which usually gets way out of hand. I recall there being mobs trashing all sorts of machines.
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Misja, best post to find you through!!
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Hey Steven!
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Hey Misja! 👋🏻
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Hey Alex!
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Nossa, como Duna tava muito a frente do seu tempo.
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Butlerian Jihad, now!
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Dune was such a prophetic book
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Damn, now I want to go read it again for the 7000th time.
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When I was studying for my CompSci degree I was interested in artificial intelligence. Never worked professionally and now I think I may have dodged a bullet.
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Eerily prescient.
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“test for humans” = CAPTCHA?
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I love this because she’s right, but she’s still an asshole. Machines couldn’t be controlled (derogatory). The Kwisatz Haderach won’t be either (laudatory).

Human Leaders, to the BG, have self-control, but can be controlled. They make the wrong assumption about Paul, and the galaxy pays the price.
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Auto from Wall-E would seethe at this.

That and there's an Orange Catholic Bible in Dune?
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the OCB is a weird text. there are passages from it scattered throughout the books.

there was basically another council of nicaea.

why 'orange'? it's not explained. and it's not catholic in the pointy hatted sense.

there is also no jesus (messiah). they know of such things, of course.
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Still shock the recent movie adaptations never commented that in this sci fi universe humanity banned AI indefinitely.
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I WILL NEVER GET SUCKED INTO AI
NEVER
Just like I never invested in Bit Coin
It is vapor
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machines were nice and men were lions once upon a time. then when it was the opposite, it was twice upon a time. but we put a stop to that right quick
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I'm just gonna assume that the fact this was shared on an Amazon Kindle is purely coincidental.
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You can't really turn your thinking over to a Kindle to set you free. The point is about thinking machines, not machines per se.

But if a Kindle could do this the point would still stand.
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And if there are two things the populace in the universe of Dune enjoy, it's freedom and equality.
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An we are heading to a far far future of Dune. Even Isaac Isimov predicted that with his universe too
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Am I really going to have to dig out my dusty old book for the rest of what comes after 'to counterfeit...'?
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"In the end, after several months of work, he had persuaded something like seventy per cent of the writers on his list to sign the contract. He found that the older ones, those who were running out of ideas and had taken to drink, were the easiest to handle. The younger people were more troublesome.
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They were apt to become abusive, sometimes violent when he approached them; and more than once Knipe was slightly injured on his rounds. But on the whole, it was a satisfactory beginning.
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I‘ve got the same sentence, also from a Kindle, on my Camera roll.
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the “Dune: Prophecy” Bene Gesserit TV series did a pretty good job of incorporating this into its plot
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.... I think I need to go read this for more context and research, obviously
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