"two popes, folks! they had two of them at the same time! One lived in a big castle in France and people said we're shutting down the popes until we can figure out what the hell is going on"
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clement 5. they say 5 because he was the fifth one, tremendous clements. he knew deals very well, i can tell you. they said, โ€œsir, the pope is supposed to be in rome,โ€ and he said no, weโ€™re going france. many say avignon - ah-vig-non - was the mar-a-lago of its time
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"Very fun term, 'saeculum obscuram', more and more people are saying it these days, we love our theophylacteri"
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"Babylonian Captivity" with the weirdest emphases you've ever heard.
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